Best Leaders on Shiva!Follow

After all the scams and negative vibe one screwed up person can be i figured it would be a great time to ask everyone who you think is the best leader on shiva and why?

Aeristar's boobs > all of you.

What? That's not a qualification for a leader? Damn.

Well how about she took half of ex-EK, half a bunch of Dynamis newbs, and won Dynamis-Bastok with time to spare with only one near-total wipe (27.5 people). Quality crew.

<3 Aeris.

hes an absoulte horrific ******** but my vote goes to Faraoh of PhoenixDown for the simple fact that out of every single event we did, he NEVER (NOT ONCE) took any item for himself. out of all out god runs and everything he asked for nothing. in addition to that he was a very knowledgable guy on everything from NMs, to sky, to just about everything else. ugh i feel like such an *** kisser =(. FAR IF YOU READ THIS, I STILL THINK YOU SUCK. ok i feel better

I don't know the best leader on Shiva but I know what makes a good leader................

The best HNMLS leaders are online alout,
They keep everyone well informed on how to win@!,
they let players be themselves(Up to the point where there rude),
They help out alout and put in hours of time for others,
they fell into the role / they didn't just wake up one morning and bought a linkshell from a NPC,
there not too greedy couse true power is power shared,
they lead by example(Showing respect to get respect),
they play for the Allmighty Win@!,
they don't give up and show an example of determination,
they keep things fun for all there members,

A leader is not above us or beyond us, a leader is the example of friendship and teamwork, someone that binds players to a comman goal. We look to a leader to mearly understand.

/em sheds a tear.
/say Thanks for saving my life Pal^^

hahah yeah darcy is pretty cool. makes a big effort to keep LoTB fun.

I don't know. How do you think I should answer that question? :/

Nah Wrip, I think you are wrong on this one bro. EVERY LS needs a good leader. Most LSs fail because they don't have one. Anyone can have a LS with ppl in it, but to be successful, it has to be lead a certain way. The US has a president to lead, though we vote for him/her. Same with a good LS, no one will stand behind a bad leader. But a good leader, you will follow to the ends of the earth. I mean, weren't you the leader of a LS at one point? Can't just have ppl running around acting an ***. Things do need some control and leadership. It's not about being insecure, it's about getting things done.

Why do you think when aliens invade earth, the first thing they say is "Take me to your leader..." >.>

Edited, Thu Sep 29 17:08:09 2005 by BarchielReturns

I have honestly only been in two ls with leader's in this game and I can say that both have leadership ability. I say ability because people can have 'qualities' of leadership that don't make them necessarily good leaders.

Legolisgoldleaf who led TOS and Kramer of my current ls.
Both different people but both people who are respected and admired by many people.

Leglisgoldeaf has found other things that currently take him away from a involvement to any degree but is a man who has my utmost respect and admiration. Honest, sincere and truly good of heart.

Kramer is the other leader I've had the pleasure of getting to know. Kramer exhibits leadersip because he doesn't ask anyone to do anything or go anywhere that he doesn't have knowledge or experience of. I think he really and truly wants everyone to succeed to end game; have the things they desire and tries to help us all achieve that end. He plans, and strategizes beforehand so that going in to *anything* we have a gameplan! He's a selfless guy; fair and patient with those who need guidance.

Does being a good leader mean that everyone has to agree and like everything the leader does all the time? Not in my opinion. Tough choices; able to give directions; and not being afraid to take flak! The thing I admire most about Kramer is that sometimes he's not just a "people pleaser". He makes decisions based on what is right for the good of our ls and not what will make certain people *like* him. He is not a Yes man! Traits that I admire and respect.

He knows this game; is giving freely of his time and help and devotes himself to anything and everything anyone else is asked to do.

He has my vote!

Wrip wrote:
> Quit praising someone for spending 8k on a videogame!
> They aren't above you!

I don't really think anyone is elevating LS leaders to the status of deity, or idolizing them.

Barchiel's point that a decent LS leader does more than just plunk 8K gil down and start distributing pearls is a sound one. A good linkshell holder can envision what they want the LS to be and is able to articulate that. A good linkshell leader creates the culture that the linkshell members can thrive in.

Not everyone wants to put that kind of effort into creating a successful linkshell. I see nothing wrong with passing along some praise and appreciation to those people that do take on such a role.

That said, my thanks go out to Zayne of Banished Chronicles.

^^ sure agahnim, :p

Well, I think its a different story if your leader says you can't say something, but usually, it's for the good of the LS's image. You don't want someone that represents you and others to be a total *******. Like the leaders of the LSs that I am in never asked me to stop humping ppl and what-not, cuz I usually hump for a good cause >.>.

I think you see the leader as a "master and servant" type deal. It's not, a leader organizes, instructs, etc. Pretty much like a manager at work. Though the manager tells you what to do, you can quit at anytime. The manager needs you to keep everything flowing. And you need the manager so things will be organized. It goes back and forth, not a one sided deal.

To be honest, I wouldn't want to be a leader of a LS. All the responsibilities. Its hard work bro, as you already know. So I DO think that ppl should respect leaders, but of course, don't follow a leader if you don't like, trust, and believe in him/her.

As for giving leaders "rank" over you, well, that's just how it goes. They are the leader. They should have some kind of footing. I believe that everyone is equal in a LS to a point. Again, I don't think its about pulling rank, its about having a good group. And a good group consists of good members and a good leader. You can't have a group full of wannabe leaders because everyone will be trying to instruct everyone else, thinking their idea is best. Nor a group of only members, because you won't get anywhere.

You can look at the history of the world. The most powerful of societies had strong leaders. Hell, even the worst kind of leader like Hitler led Germany and gave them power. Some people need leaders. Someone to believe in to pull them through a situation. Look at Martin Luther King, Gandi, etc. They weren't trying to pull rank. They were trying to get things done.

Yeah, Sophus usually does have a lot to say, but I think that Sophus has very intelligent posts. You don't like Gentoo? I love him! He is like a sage to me. I just wish I saw him more because I can't play as much as I used to because of my senior project. Anyway, we need to PT one day bro^^.

Wrip wrote:
> I'm not going to respond to what Gentoo says because...well to
> be honest I just don't like him. lol.

C'est la vie, c'est la guerre.

We've had passive-agressive altercations in game, but honestly, I remain completely indifferent to you Wrip.

Outside of the game, your posts on various forums are openly expressive, sometimes poignant and ... rousing. Although I've responded in like to some of your more vitriolic statements, I respect your ability to articulate your positions, and openly discuss them.

I am apathetic to wether or not you dislike me. That said, if you think I'll quit posting (or even directly responding to your posts) because of it, you'll be dissapointed.

he can read you after im through lookin up the words he used <.<