now that is just re-god-damn-diculous! Slapping Ve, i do not condone, or promote the abuse of any NM.
Hey Msz, send me a tell when you sit though, 2 3hr pops, and then a 4 hr pop for a total of 10 hrs to get somebody a hairpin. I know of only one person, who has not only the backbone, but commitment to see such a thing to fruition.
P.S. I don't ever expect to ever recieve such a /tell.