And by Remora no less!
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10;mid=1142737544136574783;num=324;page=1
Too bad everyone's too busy bickering about the tactic used to actually appreciate what just happened :/
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Killing a mob that's at under 10% of its ability isn't an overly amazingly accomplishment. And they also just used someone elses tactic so it wasn't their own genius idea, either. Still a great feat to take it down, but they didn't take down the AV that everyone is afraid of.
Edited, Thu Mar 23 13:30:19 2006 by SirEaglestrike
Edited, Thu Mar 23 13:30:19 2006 by SirEaglestrike
i really dont understand why everyone is ******** about how they killed it lol. they used a tactic that worked for them. so what? seems to me like people are mad that they didnt get to it first.
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Killing a mob that's at under 10% of its ability isn't an overly amazingly accomplishment. And they also just used someone elses tactic so it wasn't their own genius idea, either. Still a great feat to take it down, but they didn't take down the AV that everyone is afraid of.
You just volunteered your linkshell to go kill AV without using the wall tactic. And if you can't do it, just shut the hell up.
Using the wall glitch to keep AV still while the tanks can sit out of range while melee beat up on it with the virtue weapons to stop his 2hours is basically the same idea as kiting any HNM.
You take away their ability of hitting you with melee and TP attacks, even spells. That's not the HNM you're afraid of, it's a watered down weaker one that basically is led around on a chain while people poke it with sticks.
Sure it's a little underhanded and sneaky, but it worked. Congrats to those on Remora.
Um, from what I've read, there were no tanks. They had a brd spamming dia on it, otherwise it was just blm's nuking while AV did nothing at all. That doesn't really require anything.
Does that mean I can beat AV in any other way? No. Is it unkillable using all other methods we know of? Yes. Does that make it some huge accomplishment that an LS manaburned a mob while it was glitched? No.
Congrats to those of Remora who manaburned the mob, no one else was able to do that before. But I don't think they should be praised for such a glitch. The JP's that beat JoL before it was nerfed should be praised, that was sick.
Does that mean I can beat AV in any other way? No. Is it unkillable using all other methods we know of? Yes. Does that make it some huge accomplishment that an LS manaburned a mob while it was glitched? No.
Congrats to those of Remora who manaburned the mob, no one else was able to do that before. But I don't think they should be praised for such a glitch. The JP's that beat JoL before it was nerfed should be praised, that was sick.
They also used jailer weapons with virtue stones equipped. Apparently any job attacking it with those will make AV unable to use that job's 2-hour ability. Also, doesn't the game manual say to use terrain to your advantage? If so I wouldn't really consider it a glitch...
"Synchro From Remora" wrote:
It's not moving, it's not regening, it's not attacking, casting, or 2hring.
That guy was watching the fight.
"Aers" wrote:
Then they started nuking it, mainly ga spells, all wynavs died after a few of them, and it hit about 95%; at this point I saw a few manafonts go off, chain nuking, w/e, hit about 90%, became evident at this point it wasnt 2-hring or casting spells anymore, hit 60%, got rings around hands, hit 0%, died without ever doing anything since they started at 100%.
He, too, watched the fight.
Edited, Thu Mar 23 19:04:02 2006 by SirEaglestrike
Kiyoyouko uses Mijin Gakure.
Absolute Virtue takes 1337 points of damage.
Kiyoyouko defeats Absolute Virtue.
omghaxlol
Absolute Virtue takes 1337 points of damage.
Kiyoyouko defeats Absolute Virtue.
omghaxlol
lmao hey kiyo..
<- shruiken
anyway everyone who says they did it without "honor" and "omg they glitched it so they didnt REALLY win" or other crap like that.
1) THERE WAS A GM STANDING THERE WATCHING THE FIGHT
-If they were doing something wrong, he would have stopped it.
2) Go kill AV without the glitch, until them stop creaming your pants :x
<- shruiken
anyway everyone who says they did it without "honor" and "omg they glitched it so they didnt REALLY win" or other crap like that.
1) THERE WAS A GM STANDING THERE WATCHING THE FIGHT
-If they were doing something wrong, he would have stopped it.
2) Go kill AV without the glitch, until them stop creaming your pants :x
1) A GM was called on the first LS who did this. Although there was no appearance, they were winning the fight but AV kept acting 'weird' and actually could use 2 hours after a while, unlike this LS's experience.
2) A GM was called as soon as an LS on another server went to do this tactic, the GM said it was an exploit and the wall could not be used.
So one GM said it was ok, another said outright it wasn't allowed, and another theoretically does not agree. That means nothing. The only accomplishment is that this LS could manaburn a mob that couldn't attack them back. Still a good show of blm power and the ability to swap mages around. But they didn't do anything that amazing. Gotta love the rate downs =D
Also, the LS from #1 held and tested out strats on AV for nearly 30 hours and found this exploit in the first place. I give them a lot more props for what they did than the Remora LS.
Edited, Sun Mar 26 20:17:04 2006 by SirEaglestrike
2) A GM was called as soon as an LS on another server went to do this tactic, the GM said it was an exploit and the wall could not be used.
So one GM said it was ok, another said outright it wasn't allowed, and another theoretically does not agree. That means nothing. The only accomplishment is that this LS could manaburn a mob that couldn't attack them back. Still a good show of blm power and the ability to swap mages around. But they didn't do anything that amazing. Gotta love the rate downs =D
Also, the LS from #1 held and tested out strats on AV for nearly 30 hours and found this exploit in the first place. I give them a lot more props for what they did than the Remora LS.
Edited, Sun Mar 26 20:17:04 2006 by SirEaglestrike
i concur with loh (for once). killing a gimped mob using someone elses strat (that uses a glitch no less) is not very impressive.
And then you guys killed AV... Wait nvm you havent..
Who gives a **** how they killed it. You all know god damn well if thats the only method you had its what you would use. It may not be the most worthy way of defeating him but its done.
Until you come up with a better method and beat AV yourself, you have no ******* right to talk.
So from now on when you use the same tactics on Gods/HNMs that EVERYONE else uses i will flame you and tell you it doesnt matter cuz its not your idea.
Get a life kthx
Who gives a **** how they killed it. You all know god damn well if thats the only method you had its what you would use. It may not be the most worthy way of defeating him but its done.
Until you come up with a better method and beat AV yourself, you have no ******* right to talk.
So from now on when you use the same tactics on Gods/HNMs that EVERYONE else uses i will flame you and tell you it doesnt matter cuz its not your idea.
Get a life kthx
All this bickering about AV being defeated with a glitch probably stems from our own overzealous need to feed our egos. EVERY HNMLS has the same thoughts about themselves, "We're the best, the elite, the pride of <insert server>!", but when another LS accomplishes something none have done before then it threatens our pre-conceived image of invincibility. If I'm not mistaken Remora is a fairly new server(one made to accomodate EU players back then, could be wrong), so it makes all the veteran servers, including us, (supposedly we were the 2nd server built) question the abilities of a newcomer.
Eventually when AV is defeated on Shiva by one of the LSs we'll have all new threads deicated to flaming or supporting them if they used the same tactic. If they beat AV w/o using the tactic then it'll be more {Congratulations} posts since they figured out a way that works w/o the wall.
Eventually when AV is defeated on Shiva by one of the LSs we'll have all new threads deicated to flaming or supporting them if they used the same tactic. If they beat AV w/o using the tactic then it'll be more {Congratulations} posts since they figured out a way that works w/o the wall.
Lol...
When the tactics you use *completely immobilizes the mob from being able to do anything at all for long periods of time* there isn't much skill involved. The mob could do nothing. It's like they were fighting a silenced Land Worm with 200k hp and magic resistance.
Better accomplishments than beating AV in that manner: defeating JoL to pop that AV, being able to take AV to the wall in the first place. The actual fight requires nothing more than a lot of blm's to nuke and you get it to stand at the right place. I don't see why someone thinks it's uber what they did.
It's not about them copying someone elses tactic, or that I and my LS cannot do it. It's that it took absolutely no skill to defeat the mob. They didn't even test much out, they took AV straight to the wall and manaburned it. The LS on Odin that held AV for 30 hours testing and finding a way to beat AV did a lot more.
My LS doesn't even have enough blm's to manaburn AV, nor would I even post in a thread congratulating my own LS manaburning a mob unable to defense itself or attack in any way. Hell, I wouldn't even be proud of that. It takes little effort to do such a thing.
The first LS that beats the AV that can cast spells and use 2 hours multiple times will earn my respect forever, but beating a mob that is unable to do either because of a glitch with targetting and terrain (and not anything the players did to it) is nothing special.
When the tactics you use *completely immobilizes the mob from being able to do anything at all for long periods of time* there isn't much skill involved. The mob could do nothing. It's like they were fighting a silenced Land Worm with 200k hp and magic resistance.
Better accomplishments than beating AV in that manner: defeating JoL to pop that AV, being able to take AV to the wall in the first place. The actual fight requires nothing more than a lot of blm's to nuke and you get it to stand at the right place. I don't see why someone thinks it's uber what they did.
It's not about them copying someone elses tactic, or that I and my LS cannot do it. It's that it took absolutely no skill to defeat the mob. They didn't even test much out, they took AV straight to the wall and manaburned it. The LS on Odin that held AV for 30 hours testing and finding a way to beat AV did a lot more.
My LS doesn't even have enough blm's to manaburn AV, nor would I even post in a thread congratulating my own LS manaburning a mob unable to defense itself or attack in any way. Hell, I wouldn't even be proud of that. It takes little effort to do such a thing.
The first LS that beats the AV that can cast spells and use 2 hours multiple times will earn my respect forever, but beating a mob that is unable to do either because of a glitch with targetting and terrain (and not anything the players did to it) is nothing special.
Good point...its kind of sad to see a mob that's so feared and sought after in defeat end up being beaten like that. Its like having 20 people with baseball bats versus Helen Keller...not fun or fair to beat on someone who can't fight back. :/
who gives a flying **** how they killed it, i think it's awsome that they did it. and to say that they stole they tactic from other's, who the **** cares, should i be shuned because i wasnt the first person to sub nin with my war or whm for my brd too? jesus ******* chirst people need to get off there ******* high horses before i send a gang of rabid midgets with machette's out to hack at knees
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