Here's my thought on this....I used to never be very found with enchanters. Now I am one. Enchanters do not get all the greens becuase we need them for our skill. It's need before greeg-if you win the roll-you get to disenchant:) Best thing is go with a group you know who is willing to let you get the rolls, Or have a guild that helps farms greens for you, or if you have a main like me they can solo low/mid instances to get greens for your enchanting. This skill is all about the end result 300, "Willing to enchant +22 int for 250 Gold if I provide matts" I play on Garona where things cost alot:)
....but that's just my 2 cents :)
Edited, Wed Jul 20 18:19:41 2005 by elninster
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Here's a method I've used:
At the entrance to a zone, have the group do a /random 1 1000.
This sets the order for looting. When you begin killing, you loot in the order you rolled before beginning the run. If you get an item someone else can use, then you negotiate with that person what you are willing to trade them for the item. Be it gold/silver, loot options or gear on hand. This is the simplest way of handling the situation with folks I've found.
On the occation when more than one person wants the item, the best deal offered gets it...
At the entrance to a zone, have the group do a /random 1 1000.
This sets the order for looting. When you begin killing, you loot in the order you rolled before beginning the run. If you get an item someone else can use, then you negotiate with that person what you are willing to trade them for the item. Be it gold/silver, loot options or gear on hand. This is the simplest way of handling the situation with folks I've found.
On the occation when more than one person wants the item, the best deal offered gets it...
Scholar
32 posts
goodness gracious, my noobishness is going to be immortalized forever x_X
at least it will serve as a reference for future players =x
at least it will serve as a reference for future players =x
19 posts
Hi, i would just like to start off saying, I AM agreeing that every1 needs gold. Simple as that.
If i see some1 rolling for greed on every green drop, i used to ask the normal question: Do you even need all that? b/c i am an enchanter and i need the items if no1 truely does.
That has changed, i simply dont care now any more because almost became such an indecency that people would roll on everything. But let me just point out to the non-enchanters that posted here: How are the enchanters going to get their supplies to help your items become better you dumbasses!? DISENCHANT. How? MAGIC ITEMS. I couldnt believe some of the posts here, like "your a tailor go farm cloth and make items"... Well, *****, go farm whatever your tradeskill items are and sell em. Majority of the people never will grasp how difficult it is compared to other tradeskills to level enchanting, because look at it this way: Im destroying something i could vendor or sell in an AH for money, in order to obtain materials which go into an enchant. And now, somehow people think it is always profitable. Wrong. People usually have better enchants alrdy anyways. And another thing, if ur lvl 34 and have a decently high lvl enchanting, soloing WC for green items isnt gonna help you at all. why? Lower lvl items give lower lvl mats which, if i were to do it, wouldnt level me at all! That was the dumbest tip i've seen yet here. Its taken me a long time to finally find solutions to getting materials, and that was doing runs with guildies ALOT, finding sellers in the AH and convincing them to sell me the mats at a lower price and have some story rdy to tell them (because the AH prices have gone to hell on my server), make friends that are enchanters and do favors 4 each other, and finally, make deals with ppl close to ur lvl and keep in touch i.e. :ok, help me to get (whatever lvl enchanting) and i will either A) Give you enchants at such a fraction of a price B) Free enchants for doing this for me. I've not yet maxed my enchanting but have alrdy forseen a helluva road ahead to get it to 300. I will never say this during the game because there are even more stupid ppl out there that think like a handful of the ppl that posted here. I have one last question, which to no extent i will argue b/c for saying all these beliefs i'll probably be comdemned, but how in the hell can some lvl 50+ be so damn poor as to not even LOOK at the magic item and see, because i raised enuf money to buy my mount within 3 days of doing just one Dungeon and since then have recovered alrdy. I dont get it. Even if i didnt win the magic item i rolled for i would still make a ton of money from the instance.
Oh, P.S. to think whoever said 'saying youre an enchanter is more selfish' than rolling on an item you have NO clue as to what it is, is ludacrously retarded. Hopefully the people i give enchants to i never know "this" side of, otherwise i'd say burn in hell and "go farm" you selfish *******. Heres my reference to those that read this post : Welcome to Enchanting.
If i see some1 rolling for greed on every green drop, i used to ask the normal question: Do you even need all that? b/c i am an enchanter and i need the items if no1 truely does.
That has changed, i simply dont care now any more because almost became such an indecency that people would roll on everything. But let me just point out to the non-enchanters that posted here: How are the enchanters going to get their supplies to help your items become better you dumbasses!? DISENCHANT. How? MAGIC ITEMS. I couldnt believe some of the posts here, like "your a tailor go farm cloth and make items"... Well, *****, go farm whatever your tradeskill items are and sell em. Majority of the people never will grasp how difficult it is compared to other tradeskills to level enchanting, because look at it this way: Im destroying something i could vendor or sell in an AH for money, in order to obtain materials which go into an enchant. And now, somehow people think it is always profitable. Wrong. People usually have better enchants alrdy anyways. And another thing, if ur lvl 34 and have a decently high lvl enchanting, soloing WC for green items isnt gonna help you at all. why? Lower lvl items give lower lvl mats which, if i were to do it, wouldnt level me at all! That was the dumbest tip i've seen yet here. Its taken me a long time to finally find solutions to getting materials, and that was doing runs with guildies ALOT, finding sellers in the AH and convincing them to sell me the mats at a lower price and have some story rdy to tell them (because the AH prices have gone to hell on my server), make friends that are enchanters and do favors 4 each other, and finally, make deals with ppl close to ur lvl and keep in touch i.e. :ok, help me to get (whatever lvl enchanting) and i will either A) Give you enchants at such a fraction of a price B) Free enchants for doing this for me. I've not yet maxed my enchanting but have alrdy forseen a helluva road ahead to get it to 300. I will never say this during the game because there are even more stupid ppl out there that think like a handful of the ppl that posted here. I have one last question, which to no extent i will argue b/c for saying all these beliefs i'll probably be comdemned, but how in the hell can some lvl 50+ be so damn poor as to not even LOOK at the magic item and see, because i raised enuf money to buy my mount within 3 days of doing just one Dungeon and since then have recovered alrdy. I dont get it. Even if i didnt win the magic item i rolled for i would still make a ton of money from the instance.
Oh, P.S. to think whoever said 'saying youre an enchanter is more selfish' than rolling on an item you have NO clue as to what it is, is ludacrously retarded. Hopefully the people i give enchants to i never know "this" side of, otherwise i'd say burn in hell and "go farm" you selfish *******. Heres my reference to those that read this post : Welcome to Enchanting.
30 posts
Loot rules are easy in lower level dungeons.
If it's BoE, everyone rolls. If someone wants to equip it, they can holler after it's been rolled on... it's BoE, it can be traded.
With BoPs, only roll on it if you're planning on using it.
That's it.
Higher level dungeons tend to use a-z/z-a 10pt systems where BoE goes to people depending on where they are in the alphabet starting from a random person, and if you want an item that drops you bid points on it. Each player starts with 10 points, and after winning an item they spend how ever many points they bid. Set items tend to cost 5, epics 10 (and even if epics weren't 10, whoever still had 10 points would surely bid 10 on them).
BoPs that no one needs tend to get sharded and then go to the next person in the greed list.
And yes as many have said, enchanters wanting to disenchant the items to sell the mats or to sell enchants is just as greedy as wanting to sell the item at the AH/vendor to buy mats for tradeskills or weapons or armor. Just the same as all the cloth that drops in an instance doesn't go to the tailor in the party.
Edited, Sat Jul 23 14:58:03 2005 by tHeMaNiA
If it's BoE, everyone rolls. If someone wants to equip it, they can holler after it's been rolled on... it's BoE, it can be traded.
With BoPs, only roll on it if you're planning on using it.
That's it.
Higher level dungeons tend to use a-z/z-a 10pt systems where BoE goes to people depending on where they are in the alphabet starting from a random person, and if you want an item that drops you bid points on it. Each player starts with 10 points, and after winning an item they spend how ever many points they bid. Set items tend to cost 5, epics 10 (and even if epics weren't 10, whoever still had 10 points would surely bid 10 on them).
BoPs that no one needs tend to get sharded and then go to the next person in the greed list.
And yes as many have said, enchanters wanting to disenchant the items to sell the mats or to sell enchants is just as greedy as wanting to sell the item at the AH/vendor to buy mats for tradeskills or weapons or armor. Just the same as all the cloth that drops in an instance doesn't go to the tailor in the party.
Edited, Sat Jul 23 14:58:03 2005 by tHeMaNiA
Rules I go by for a pickup instance run: BoE all roll, if someone in the party needs it, ask for it after the roll and person who won gives it to them or is booted.
BoP, only roll if you need. If you are a mage rolling on a shield, again, booted from the group.
All guild raid: BoE, if you need roll, otherwise item is de'd or sent to guild bank. BoP greed roll if no enchanters in group, otherwise enchanter de's and sets aside for guild use only, not to make money.
BoP, only roll if you need. If you are a mage rolling on a shield, again, booted from the group.
All guild raid: BoE, if you need roll, otherwise item is de'd or sent to guild bank. BoP greed roll if no enchanters in group, otherwise enchanter de's and sets aside for guild use only, not to make money.
34 posts
Same as Meerk.
And if you are high enough to go to the lower instances, such as deadmines, go there solo or with close guildie. That way everyone is happy. No complaining groupies and you get more items. =)
And if you are high enough to go to the lower instances, such as deadmines, go there solo or with close guildie. That way everyone is happy. No complaining groupies and you get more items. =)
17 posts
Well, mage tailor/enchanter is my 3rd char (newest), so he usually gets green items other two do to level up blacksmithing and leatherworking, and linen and wool. Also he gets a lot of money from them, because I usually enchant everything in a current party for what I have mats and make bags for any one (8 slot is my highest for now), and only get money from what mobs drop, and white/gray items. And I don't roll on what I don't need, not even for DE, except when noone else wants it.
I just enjoy the game.
Just to find a good guild now :).
I just enjoy the game.
Just to find a good guild now :).
19 posts
You want to ensure you will get what you want ... ALWAYS go with friends / guildies. Anything else is not worth ******** about because you won't get your way.
1 post
I think the fairest loot distribution is to roll for it and trade at the end. (Except for BOP) For one thing, it speeds up the quest and you can compare ALL items dropped instead of one at a time. Many times a better item drops deeper in the instance and exceeds the previous 'NEEDED' item.
Also, people have different motivations and undoubtedly play differently. My method is to try to keep my armor and weapons current. That usually means spending money. In a group yesterday, there was a person that 'needed' everything, but had tons of money. He said that everything was an upgrade. It may have been, but I argue that it shouldn't have been. I didn't need everything because I spent my money to get some decent equipment. As a result, I am not rich, but I would like to regain the money that I spent. The other person could have spent his money also. Why should that person get the majority of drops because of so-called 'need'. My cynical side can see some people actually using this as a strategy to obtain most drops. Rolling gives everyone an equal chance at loot. Needs can be taken care of by trading. Likewise, if 3 cloth chest pieces drop, why should my warlock get all of them? I might use one of them, but everyone knows that the others will be sold or disenchanted.
Since it is not possible to find every item you need, trading is really the name of the game. Everyone benefits and it is fair.
So roll for it, negotiate trades within the hunting party at the end, and then do whatever you like afterwards. It will be based on the luck of the draw and should be no hard feelings or suspicions of honesty.
IMHO
Also, people have different motivations and undoubtedly play differently. My method is to try to keep my armor and weapons current. That usually means spending money. In a group yesterday, there was a person that 'needed' everything, but had tons of money. He said that everything was an upgrade. It may have been, but I argue that it shouldn't have been. I didn't need everything because I spent my money to get some decent equipment. As a result, I am not rich, but I would like to regain the money that I spent. The other person could have spent his money also. Why should that person get the majority of drops because of so-called 'need'. My cynical side can see some people actually using this as a strategy to obtain most drops. Rolling gives everyone an equal chance at loot. Needs can be taken care of by trading. Likewise, if 3 cloth chest pieces drop, why should my warlock get all of them? I might use one of them, but everyone knows that the others will be sold or disenchanted.
Since it is not possible to find every item you need, trading is really the name of the game. Everyone benefits and it is fair.
So roll for it, negotiate trades within the hunting party at the end, and then do whatever you like afterwards. It will be based on the luck of the draw and should be no hard feelings or suspicions of honesty.
IMHO
Scholar
27 posts
I do my guild's enchanting. Everyone in my guild sends me unwanted greens. I use these mats to do the free guild enchants.
When I farm mats (Greens) I solo instances.
Under no circumstances do I expect anyone else to not roll just because I am an enchanter. I think that is just arrogant of an enchanter/anyone.
If You want all the greens, solo the instance.
When I farm mats (Greens) I solo instances.
Under no circumstances do I expect anyone else to not roll just because I am an enchanter. I think that is just arrogant of an enchanter/anyone.
If You want all the greens, solo the instance.
12 posts
Make loot rules before you go.
At low level instance, I can see that many ppl might not be familiar with these need/greed concepts yet so don't worry about it for now. It's going to happen often. Even in playing you character, after having a level 60 main and making an alt...you kinda see how other players suk :) ...but, hey...I was once a beginer too who sukked! Even in SM a shaman rolled on my BoP Whitemane's Chapea and won and said "sorry!".
One idea I used was to offer the group free enchants with the greens/blues we find. If everyone likes that then you get the mutual benefit of your skilling and their buffing. Most ppl would take the enchants over the few silver. You can just enchant their equipment after/during/later...whatever. I did this a lot in the beginning.
Edited, Wed Jul 27 12:55:52 2005 by rasmasyean
Edited, Wed Jul 27 13:00:24 2005 by rasmasyean
Edited, Wed Jul 27 12:55:57 2005 by rasmasyean
At low level instance, I can see that many ppl might not be familiar with these need/greed concepts yet so don't worry about it for now. It's going to happen often. Even in playing you character, after having a level 60 main and making an alt...you kinda see how other players suk :) ...but, hey...I was once a beginer too who sukked! Even in SM a shaman rolled on my BoP Whitemane's Chapea and won and said "sorry!".
One idea I used was to offer the group free enchants with the greens/blues we find. If everyone likes that then you get the mutual benefit of your skilling and their buffing. Most ppl would take the enchants over the few silver. You can just enchant their equipment after/during/later...whatever. I did this a lot in the beginning.
Edited, Wed Jul 27 12:55:52 2005 by rasmasyean
Edited, Wed Jul 27 13:00:24 2005 by rasmasyean
Edited, Wed Jul 27 12:55:57 2005 by rasmasyean
when people don't follow the established looting rules, either boot them or leave the group...simple as that.
however, one thing that people aren't doing is this. during my normal levelling, i get lots of cloth and leather. everything else becomes money. using the money, cloth, and leather, my tailor and my LW make green items for my enchanter (same as tailor). this has been enough to get me to 200+ in enchanting as a lvl 25 character. i'll keep going to 225 then stop until i can get to the next level cap.
i dont want to be greedy in instance runs. it does suck to come out of an instance with hardly anything sellable, for me and im sure for others. so using this method, i have been able to let others lot on green items without really being concerned with how many items i end up with by the dice roll.
otherwise, how many items do we actually need? probably 1-3 items. that means, everything else we should pass on. so i end an instance with 3 items that i wear..and nothing to sell. bad run imo.
thanks for understanding how others may feel OP.
I just wanted to drive home a previous point ... rolling for alts has to be the most annoying response given. I would rather somebody say they need the money than to say it is for an alt (at least then you could offer to just buy the item from them if you really wanted it). As mentioned ... that alt should be playing then. Most people have alts ... and most send money or items back and forth, but do that with your solo looted items or things you buy from the AH. A player not in the instance should not be considered.
5 posts
If Instance looting is this big of a deal find a guildy with tradeskills that can make you items to Disenchant. Then, offer enchants in exchange as well as help him out financially (Stuff he may need at AH, Regeants, Mount, etc.). If either one of you feels as tho you're being short-handed, break it off and find someone else. Instance farming/looting is/should be a last ditch resort b/c it deals with impersonal relationships with ppl where they feel more OK with cheating/ninja-ing/alt-stealing. I've had ppl get upset with me cause I like to joke around alot so they roll on BoP just to spite me; its really annoying. Thats even if I need the item, I'm not just talking about a BoP no one needs and I want to DE. A person is good, people are evil. :P
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