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#177 Feb 19 2007 at 3:52 AM Rating: Decent
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This is a good way of making moeny, went from 20g to over 100 in a week , another good way to do it is make good greens and DE them , the char i did this on was a tailor / enchanter , i went from tailoring 250 - 300 , and doubled the money i put into it! This meant i was getting two for the price of one , making profit , and leveling another skill. Thanks for the great guide that has shown me how to actually make money :)

Edited, Feb 19th 2007 6:53am by Joaxim
#178 Feb 19 2007 at 5:09 AM Rating: Decent
NameAlreadyExists wrote:
Hey people, I've got a question. My enchanting is currently 140 and I've got Enchantrix and Auctioneer. I'm wondering if it's worth it trying to use this for making money when you can DE like 44-45 items as highest? Or should i spend some money getting it to 225 or so?

Thanks.


Why spend money? DE as normal (for money), use whatever mats you need to level, and sell the rest. Since you don't use every mat you produce to level your skill, you end up making gold, not spending it.
#179 Feb 19 2007 at 3:58 PM Rating: Decent
I will definately be doing this.

Also, since I'll probably be doing this on an alt, what's the average GPD (Gold per day) for a low level?

Edited, Feb 19th 2007 7:14pm by Xfaactor
#180 Feb 21 2007 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
ohmikeghod, man you are all over this...you must be rollin....lol

I will admit I have been d/e everything I can get my hands on and stockpiling. Then I came across this post and thought it sounded good. I found on my server the enchanting MATS come and go. THere will be hundreds one day and none the next. So either they are selling really fast or going back. So I gave it a whirl. Sure enough sold some Soul Dust - 10 = 5g. I was just testing the market. Now I still stockpile Mats for my own use to lvl up, but when I surplus to 20 I will put 5/10 MATS in and sure enough I always come out ahead. I will admit I appreciate reading, because I was clueless to figure it out myself, about buying "mis-priced" greens and d/eing them. I bought 3 green shields last night for 32s - got 4 strange dusts and 2 lesser essence. Turned around and sold the strange dust(I added 1 more to make 5) and made 50s.

So I have enjoyed the info..wanted to say THANK YOU!!!
#181 Feb 21 2007 at 12:18 PM Rating: Decent
By the way...that was a 50s profit. Low price I know...but was testing to see how fast it would sell. Sold within 45 mins of putting in the AH.
#182 Feb 21 2007 at 5:54 PM Rating: Decent
I plan to make an alt and try this guide out for money. Expect my results in a maximum of 2 weeks : ).
#183 Feb 22 2007 at 2:06 AM Rating: Decent
Xfaactor wrote:
I will definately be doing this.

Also, since I'll probably be doing this on an alt, what's the average GPD (Gold per day) for a low level?

A lot depends on your initial starting gold. DEing from the AH is a cash-flow business. The more you have, the easier it is to make it flow. Because I bid on a lot of items. 90% of my buys are made by bidding, rather than buy-out, so a good ***** of cash is always tied up in the AH. The more items you're able to buy, the larger the number of mats you have out to sell will be. Also, some won't sell well, so you have to take a long-term view, and keep putting them up. Eventually, someone will buy those mats at your price - but in the meantime, your gold is tied up in them.

When I first started on this, I gave my alt 10G to start with. There was an initial (about 2 week) period when I thought I was losing money. I wasn't, but my money was tied up in mats, and I had very little to buy more items. I persevered, and eventually made a killing.

So far, I've twinked all my characters, purchased a warhorse, purchased 8 mounts for guildies, helped another guildie by buying 140 Thorium bars he needed for a quest, etc., etc., and I still have over 2000 gold in my alt's backpack.
#184 Feb 22 2007 at 2:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Now, you can basically just have to make ONE trip into Uldaman if you have enough Dreamdust with you to lv your Ench up enough to learn all the recipees that she has to teach, and thus, it's recommended that to-be Master enchanters go to Uldaman with a nice chunk of Dream Dust to complement their journey.


I'm not so sure if that's actually a good idea anymore. You used to be able to learn all of Annora's training by level 250. In one of the 2.0.x patches, Blizzard changed it so she teaches up to level 295. Are you seriously suggesting people to go from 225 to 295 in one go? That's only feasible if you are uber rich. And I'm pretty sure you need eternal essences or illusion dusts to get the higher levels.
#185 Feb 22 2007 at 7:47 AM Rating: Good
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Now, you can basically just have to make ONE trip into Uldaman if you have enough Dreamdust with you to lv your Ench up enough to learn all the recipees that she has to teach, and thus, it's recommended that to-be Master enchanters go to Uldaman with a nice chunk of Dream Dust to complement their journey.


I'm not so sure if that's actually a good idea anymore. You used to be able to learn all of Annora's training by level 250. In one of the 2.0.x patches, Blizzard changed it so she teaches up to level 295. Are you seriously suggesting people to go from 225 to 295 in one go? That's only feasible if you are uber rich. And I'm pretty sure you need eternal essences or illusion dusts to get the higher levels.


No need to go to 295 if you are just looking to be able to DE anything, just need to hit 275. I got to 275 without using hardly any eternal essences. Lots of Dream Dust and Greater/Lesser Nether some lesser eternal very few greater. Sometimes I would even enchant things that were yellow because the mats were so much cheaper that it was worth the risk that you don't get a guaranteed skill up everytime. You also don't need to hit 275 in Ullda you just need to train enough 260ish enchants so you can hit 275 back in town.

I think it is now worth it to hit 275 for money making. Arcane Dusts for a while where kinda cheap on my server while illusions were more expensive. Now it has shifted and it is starting to be very worth it to DE 61+ items to sell arcane. Just remember if you get someone to run you through you need to be 35 to train to artisian.

Also in general for this process just keep an eye on trends. Greater Eternals are my biggest money maker by far. But somebody on my server recently flooded the market with them and dropped the price by a ton (I would recommened not doing this, only put a few auctions of each mat up at a time). They have been selling for an easy 10g a piece and often 12 for quite a while and this flooding dropped them to 7g for a few days. This got to the point where it was very hard to find any 51-60 weapons where the profit was worth it to buy them to DE. But often you can just wait it out (buy up a few of the cheap ones if you can) and then put your mats up later. Also be aware that auctioneer can lie to you easily even with good sample size. Some of this could come from people playing the meta game and listing mats higher then they will ever sell. IE, my auctioneer still thinks that Illusion Dust is worth 3g each. I often expire when I sell stacks of 20 for 30g (sometimes I sell some for 35). When you run a search for deals in auctioneer and you see a ton of auctions for something that is supposedly a great deal at a very high % profit right you might realize your data is lying to you so don't let the number rule you. Pay attention and use it as a base only when you don't know.
#186 Feb 25 2007 at 4:51 PM Rating: Decent
i tryed to use this method but dont quite understand. The command percentless is down according to my version and don't understand how to do this with out it i would like to learn since ive always aspired to make lots of money a while back i found that you can sell heavy silk bandage manuals for almost 80 silver profit but could never find Denalan to buy the manual from.


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#187 Feb 27 2007 at 4:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Now, you can basically just have to make ONE trip into Uldaman if you have enough Dreamdust with you to lv your Ench up enough to learn all the recipees that she has to teach, and thus, it's recommended that to-be Master enchanters go to Uldaman with a nice chunk of Dream Dust to complement their journey.


I'm not so sure if that's actually a good idea anymore. You used to be able to learn all of Annora's training by level 250. In one of the 2.0.x patches, Blizzard changed it so she teaches up to level 295. Are you seriously suggesting people to go from 225 to 295 in one go? That's only feasible if you are uber rich. And I'm pretty sure you need eternal essences or illusion dusts to get the higher levels.


No need to go to 295 if you are just looking to be able to DE anything, just need to hit 275.


QFT. I guess the question is really "do you want to be an enchanter or a rich disenchanter?"

Edited, Feb 27th 2007 4:00am by ohmikeghod
#188 Feb 27 2007 at 9:58 AM Rating: Decent
before path 2.0 I was using this method to make money, also found making a gatherer and crafter was a useful to flood the market. Crafting the cheapest one I could and mailing them to my enchanter. with 100+ items to disenchant makes ALOT of mats to post. and its 100% profit cause u are farming the mats. Also crafting and Disenchanting makes for easy supply of mats helping boost skill level, but depending upon your gatherer and crafter levels. Ive been making 50-100g a day with 225 leather working, 225 blacksmithing, 225 tailoring, 300 skinning, 240 mining, 225 engineering, and 225 enchanting.

Edited, Feb 27th 2007 1:16pm by Thragath

Edited, Feb 27th 2007 1:17pm by Thragath
#189 Mar 01 2007 at 10:25 AM Rating: Decent
you also should check the server and what you can do. on some of the new servers enchanting mats are actually loosing money until you get past 225. past that, good luck.
#190 Mar 02 2007 at 2:01 AM Rating: Decent
Addermine wrote:
you also should check the server and what you can do. on some of the new servers enchanting mats are actually loosing money until you get past 225. past that, good luck.

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The only difference between doubling your gold by selling strange dust and doubling your gold by selling the BC enchanting mats is the number of items you have to disenchant. If you are losing money, then you are purchasing stuff to DE at too high a price, and not using auctioneer/enchantrix properly.

Edited, Mar 2nd 2007 2:01am by ohmikeghod
#191 Mar 02 2007 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
i'm new in WoW so please bear with me
i just started playing about a week ago with my friends and now interested about this money-making guide so i downloaded all the required add-ons..
i went to the AH, scan it, load up the enchantrix and type in the percentless command but it said "command disabled until next major release"..

what went wrong ??
#192 Mar 02 2007 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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apollogic wrote:
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i went to the AH, scan it, load up the enchantrix and type in the percentless command but it said "command disabled until next major release"..

what went wrong ??


Nothing went wrong except for the fact that, as the program stated, the percentless function of enchantrix is currently disabled until the developers have rebuilt the program to their liking to work with The Burning Crusade expansion and its patches. You would do well to read the information on these programs at norganna.org in order to keep up with their changes, etc. and use them to your best benefit.
#193 Mar 02 2007 at 8:57 PM Rating: Decent
apollogic wrote:
i'm new in WoW so please bear with me
i just started playing about a week ago with my friends and now interested about this money-making guide so i downloaded all the required add-ons..
i went to the AH, scan it, load up the enchantrix and type in the percentless command but it said "command disabled until next major release"..

what went wrong ??

The work-around to this is to take the HSP (highest Sellable Price) that is displayed on the tooltip and divide that by 2. That will give you a "buy" price thatis comperable to the price you would get from percentless 50. Manually search the AH for items under that price, and you will make money. I use the buy price from this calculation for bids as well as buyouts, and over 80% of my disenchants come from items that have been put up for bid at ridiculously low prices.
#194 Mar 02 2007 at 9:45 PM Rating: Decent
After reading this thread, here's my brief understanding on how the system works.. (correct me if i'm wrong)
every time you scan the AH, you build up a database so the more you do it, the more reliable the numbers are. then enchantrix kicks in, finding all the items worth disenchanting using the auctioneer database that you've built up. but the key is not to rely solely on the program but to also check the price manually just in case. and also you should know your market..

here's a situation i'm curious about
green belts that are selling (mostly) at 1g but it can be d/e into 2g worth of mats. what if someone was to sell the belt at 10g, that would mess up the database wouldnt it ?? wouldnt the database calculate the mean price for the item as 5g and in that case, it wouldnt be worth disenchanting anymore..

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The work-around to this is to take the HSP (highest Sellable Price) that is displayed on the tooltip and divide that by 2. That will give you a "buy" price thatis comperable to the price you would get from percentless 50. Manually search the AH for items under that price, and you will make money. I use the buy price from this calculation for bids as well as buyouts, and over 80% of my disenchants come from items that have been put up for bid at ridiculously low prices.


first of all thank you for replying, for this method, i'd have to search the items worth buying myself then ?? that would take quite some time :)
#195 Mar 03 2007 at 4:04 AM Rating: Decent
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apollogic wrote:
here's a situation i'm curious about
green belts that are selling (mostly) at 1g but it can be d/e into 2g worth of mats. what if someone was to sell the belt at 10g, that would mess up the database wouldnt it ?? wouldnt the database calculate the mean price for the item as 5g and in that case, it wouldnt be worth disenchanting anymore..

The system does not take into account the mean value of the item you are disenchanting, but a value of the enchanting mats that the item disenchants to. If your scan shows a dozen belts selling for 1g, and one belt that sells for 10g, along with the disenchanting products at an average of 2g, then the /percentless command would return a list containing the names and prices of the belts that cost 1g. And the value of the enchanting mats is not exactly an average, but more heavily weighted on the most recent price snapshot.
#196 Mar 03 2007 at 4:31 AM Rating: Decent
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The system does not take into account the mean value of the item you are disenchanting, but a value of the enchanting mats that the item disenchants to. If your scan shows a dozen belts selling for 1g, and one belt that sells for 10g, along with the disenchanting products at an average of 2g, then the /percentless command would return a list containing the names and prices of the belts that cost 1g. And the value of the enchanting mats is not exactly an average, but more heavily weighted on the most recent price snapshot.


ohhhhh i think i got the hang of it now, thanks a lot guys
#197 Mar 03 2007 at 5:48 AM Rating: Decent
hmm according to the HSP/2 technique, if the HSP/2 is higher than the purchase price then u buy the item then disenchant it then sell the mats ??

the green items u purchased has a % of d/e eg 75% greater magic essence 25% strange dust. so if u buy the item seeing that the HSP/2 is higher than the buyout price then d/e it, if u got greater.. then u make a profit but if u get strange dust from d/e then u lose money ?? is that right ??

Edited, Mar 3rd 2007 8:54am by apollogic
#198 Mar 03 2007 at 6:07 AM Rating: Decent
i dunno what im doin wrong i have the newest for version of wow auctioneer but everytime i do the command /enchantrix percentless 50 it tells me this command is disabled until next major release any one gettin this problem?
#199 Mar 03 2007 at 9:25 AM Rating: Decent
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i dunno what im doin wrong i have the newest for version of wow auctioneer but everytime i do the command /enchantrix percentless 50 it tells me this command is disabled until next major release any one gettin this problem?


lol i just asked the same question a few posts ago !!


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apollogic wrote:
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i went to the AH, scan it, load up the enchantrix and type in the percentless command but it said "command disabled until next major release"..

what went wrong ??


Nothing went wrong except for the fact that, as the program stated, the percentless function of enchantrix is currently disabled until the developers have rebuilt the program to their liking to work with The Burning Crusade expansion and its patches. You would do well to read the information on these programs at norganna.org in order to keep up with their changes, etc. and use them to your best benefit.
#200 Mar 03 2007 at 9:33 PM Rating: Decent
apollogic wrote:
hmm according to the HSP/2 technique, if the HSP/2 is higher than the purchase price then u buy the item then disenchant it then sell the mats ??

the green items u purchased has a % of d/e eg 75% greater magic essence 25% strange dust. so if u buy the item seeing that the HSP/2 is higher than the buyout price then d/e it, if u got greater.. then u make a profit but if u get strange dust from d/e then u lose money ?? is that right ??


The HSP is calculated based on all the things that an item can be disenchanted into. for example if an item can be dienchanted into <mat1> 75%, <mat2> 20% and <mat3> 5%, and mat1 sels for 1G, mat2 sells fro 2G and mat3 sells for 3G, the HSP = 75S (75% of 1G) + 40S (20% of 2G) + 15S (5% of 3G), or 1G30S. that makes HSP/2 = 65S., so if you got mat1 as a result, you would make a much smaller profit than if you got mat3. But, on average, you would make 50% profit across all your AH placements.

Now, there is another complication - you don't always gest single numbers. A typical display shows something like <mat1> 2.5 75%, <mat2> 1.5 20% and <mat3> 1 5%

that would make the clculation a bit more complex using the same prices:
mat1 = 75% of 2.5 = 1G 87S 50C
mat2 = 20% of 3.0 = 60S
mat3 = 5% of 3.0 = 15S

giving an HSP of 2G 63S 50C, and a buy price (HSP/2) of 1G 31S 75C.

If you only get 1 of mat 1, you will have a loss, but chances are better that you will get 2 or 3. If you get mat 2 or 3, you will obviously make a much better profit. The average return will still be doubling your gold.

You have to sell a LOT (and I mean a whole LOT) of mats to get the average return. There will be some days when the gods of dice are against you and you always get the mats that are lowest in price. There are also the days when it's the opposite, and you end up rollong around in nothing but nexus shards. You will still end up averaging doubling, even though we live for the good days.
#201 Mar 03 2007 at 11:16 PM Rating: Decent
so i have to buy the items whose buyout/bid price is lower than the HSP/2 to make a profit then, is that correct ??
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