Forum Settings
       
Reply To Thread

Blacksmithing: I just don't get why...Follow

#1 Mar 21 2007 at 5:13 PM Rating: Decent
****
5,903 posts
....why Blizzard saw it fit to make absolutely no recipes for 10+ levels.

I am currently 243 And I am ever-so-slowly moving towards Lv250.

Some reason, Blizzard decided, at Lv230, that all recipes should suddenly stop until 240 (One, Mithril Boots) and then a bunch of recipes at 250.

Meanwhile, there's very little, if anything, to fill the gap between 230 and 250, and we're stuck making those stupid Coifs clear to ... well, I'm pretty sure they will go Yellow at 245. That's just great. Now I need 5 levels on either Breastplates (20 Mithril PER!?) or Greaves (12, plus 4 Heavy Leathers each).

I think Dense Grinding Stone should have been 240 instead of 250... meh.

Its taking an awfully long time to get that much Mithril...

--Xylia
#2 Mar 21 2007 at 8:09 PM Rating: Good
*****
14,326 posts
It doesn't get any better.

360-375 is AWFUL.

The only guranteed recipes are from Aldor/Scryer reputation and those require Primals to do.

It currently costs me 200g+ to get a single point in Blacksmithing. I need 4 Primal Fire and 4 Primal Water for each point.

It's ridiculous.
#3 Mar 22 2007 at 4:11 PM Rating: Decent
*
105 posts
Wow, I am shocked that you played FFXI and think the crafting is difficult in this game. I had over 100 days of play time in FFXI most of which was crafting. Mithril is pretty easy to get if you mine. You can get it as you level and quest or if you are level 40 and have a mount you can run around zones with mithril and collect it fairly easily. I would also recommend finding a Mithril spurs recipe on AH. It only requires 4 bars and 3 solid grinding stones.
#4 Mar 22 2007 at 5:27 PM Rating: Decent
****
5,903 posts
Its not that its "Difficult", its just that its slow and boring.

Doing the same recipe for 10-15+ levels when the gain of materials is slow gets old after awhile. That, and when you get the Weaponsmithing Quest... you get the Weaponsmithing Quest at 225/Lv40, right?

You need 230 for the Big Black Mace, one of the weapons they ask you to make, right?

So you need 230 to Finish Weaponsmithing.

BUT, once you DO Finish Weaponsmithing, you can't make any actual Weaponsmithing Weapons, until 250!

That's 20 levels... of needing 10 Mithril Bars and 6 Mageweave each level. Assuming it doesn't turn yellow at 245 like I suspect it will.

I dunno, it just seems that for 20 levels, no new recipes except those boots seems a bit much. I think they could add something in there to help us out a little, or put another weapon in there somewhere.

Oh, on the Weaponsmithing Weapons...

Why are there Lv45 weapons (Blight, Truesilver Champion I believe is 45 too) and then Lv58+ weapons... but nothing in between?

They could have added a Lv50 or such weapon too..

--Xylia
#5 Mar 22 2007 at 11:11 PM Rating: Decent
Sumitra wrote:
wow, I am shocked that you played FFXI and think the crafting is difficult in this game.


Xylia wrote:
Its not that its "Difficult", its just that its slow and boring.

--Xylia


ANd FFXI wasnt 100 times more slow and boring?

Face east for xx craft, do it at night *starts craft* POOF! all mats destroyed
repeat several times... maybe make a few, loose several sets of mats and see this in your chat log.

0.1 increase


Yeah, cause thats so fast and interesting.

In WoW mats are MUCH cheaper and MUCH easier to obtain, not to mention they dont fail! EVER! and you get skill ups often on yellow crafts. You dont have to spend hours crafting to gain a point or two, and thats just crafting, not even counting the time it took to gather the mats.
#6 Mar 23 2007 at 1:21 AM Rating: Decent
****
5,903 posts
The One and Only CyrusBlaze wrote:
Sumitra wrote:
wow, I am shocked that you played FFXI and think the crafting is difficult in this game.


Xylia wrote:
Its not that its "Difficult", its just that its slow and boring.

--Xylia


ANd FFXI wasnt 100 times more slow and boring?

Face east for xx craft, do it at night *starts craft* POOF! all mats destroyed
repeat several times... maybe make a few, loose several sets of mats and see this in your chat log.

0.1 increase


Yeah, cause thats so fast and interesting.

In WoW mats are MUCH cheaper and MUCH easier to obtain, not to mention they dont fail! EVER! and you get skill ups often on yellow crafts. You dont have to spend hours crafting to gain a point or two, and thats just crafting, not even counting the time it took to gather the mats.


How about replying to the actual question, instead of turning this into a WoW vs FFXI debate? *rolls eyes*

All I'm asking for, is something New to make between Lv230 and Lv250, AND, a Weapon out of Weaponsmithing to make for a Lv50ish character. Like I said, they have 2-3 Lv45 weapons, and then nothing till the high 50s.

--Xylia
#7 Mar 23 2007 at 2:50 AM Rating: Decent
You didnt have a question, you had a complaint.

You posted saying it sucked because you didn't have any recipes for 10+ levels. Then complained saying it was to difficult and boring to raise it them 10 levels to get new recipes...

We have no control over what recipes you can learn or when you learn them, Blizzard controls that.

Either way its still better than crafts in FFXI, not to get into a FFXI vs WoW thread, but you should be happy yes HAPPY!!! that its so much easier to do. Get the mats needed to raise it them 10 levels (too easy) and get the next set of recipes..

Edited, Mar 23rd 2007 7:37am by CyrusBlaze
#8 Mar 23 2007 at 8:49 AM Rating: Good
*****
14,326 posts
The only reason to specialize now is the lvl 70 epic items you can craft and upgrade.

Mats are insane, but can do it at 350 for the first and then 375 for the upgrades.

Awesome weapons and armor.


I'd doublecheck the weaponsmith trainer, cause after TBC I noticed that there were new trainable armorsmithing recipes for mid-50s.


Also, Bliz reworked it so that the specialization recipes are trainable and drop recipes are usable by the profession.
#9 Mar 23 2007 at 12:35 PM Rating: Decent
****
5,903 posts
SeomanP wrote:
The only reason to specialize now is the lvl 70 epic items you can craft and upgrade.

Mats are insane, but can do it at 350 for the first and then 375 for the upgrades.

Awesome weapons and armor.


I'd doublecheck the weaponsmith trainer, cause after TBC I noticed that there were new trainable armorsmithing recipes for mid-50s.


Also, Bliz reworked it so that the specialization recipes are trainable and drop recipes are usable by the profession.


I did notice a couple New weapons that were not listed in the Sticky in this Forum but, they are all 1H weapons from what I could see.

I'm an Arms/Mortal Strike Warrior; I need a good 2H since IBS is frankly impossible for me to get.

But I fear that I would sooner get to Outland before I ever got 200+ Mithril to get to Lv250 and make Blight or something.

So its kinda moot point, I guess.

--Xylia
#10 Mar 24 2007 at 4:55 PM Rating: Default
****
4,297 posts
oh look....

xylia made another ***** thread...
#11 Mar 25 2007 at 8:17 AM Rating: Good
****
8,779 posts
seriously xy, youll be eating your words soon as you hit the 360-375 run in smithing. like seo says, its f*cking expensive.

as for the topic, consider this: 250ish smithing used to be "almost endgame" as far as smithing was concerned. mithril was the second to last mine-able ore before you hit the endgame of vanilla WoW. when it comes to endgame recipes, the large majority of them are dropped, with some being repped, and others being quested.

which brings me to my point....are you making mithril spurs? thats what i did around that level. easy skill ups. problem is, its a world drop recipe.

if that doesnt work, you could do the mithril order line of quests, which will run you 200ish ore (mostly mithril, some gold and truesilver) and a few gems too.

or you could do what a many of us did and use yellow/green recipes to eke out a few skill. if all you do is make orange recipes, youll spend a lot of cash getting skill that you could get at a much cheaper price. yeah yeah, orange is guaranteed, yellow is not. thems the breaks.

point of this being: the recipes DO exist. theyre just not trainable. also, using yellow or even green recipes to skill up with, especially if theyre easy on the mat cost, isnt a bad thing.

think of this as a small sample of what youll get from 360-375. nothing in any profession compares to that grind.
#12 Mar 25 2007 at 3:21 PM Rating: Decent
****
5,903 posts
Quor wrote:
seriously xy, youll be eating your words soon as you hit the 360-375 run in smithing. like seo says, its f*cking expensive.

as for the topic, consider this: 250ish smithing used to be "almost endgame" as far as smithing was concerned. mithril was the second to last mine-able ore before you hit the endgame of vanilla WoW. when it comes to endgame recipes, the large majority of them are dropped, with some being repped, and others being quested.

which brings me to my point....are you making mithril spurs? thats what i did around that level. easy skill ups. problem is, its a world drop recipe.

if that doesnt work, you could do the mithril order line of quests, which will run you 200ish ore (mostly mithril, some gold and truesilver) and a few gems too.

or you could do what a many of us did and use yellow/green recipes to eke out a few skill. if all you do is make orange recipes, youll spend a lot of cash getting skill that you could get at a much cheaper price. yeah yeah, orange is guaranteed, yellow is not. thems the breaks.

point of this being: the recipes DO exist. theyre just not trainable. also, using yellow or even green recipes to skill up with, especially if theyre easy on the mat cost, isnt a bad thing.

think of this as a small sample of what youll get from 360-375. nothing in any profession compares to that grind.


I haven't tried Spurs or Shield Spikes yet, thanks for the suggestion.

I was thinking of getting the recipes, but as you said, they are world drops, and people usually want simply outrageous prices on the AH for them, and they are usually kinda rare...

But I'll look for em.

I *expect* 300+ to be assinine; such is to be expected... just like anything else in Outland, its all Extremes. 6000g for Epic Flying Mount, Big "omgwtf" crafting stuff, etc.

--Xylia
#13 Mar 25 2007 at 5:23 PM Rating: Good
****
8,779 posts
to be fair, 300-350 isnt that bad by any stretch, just do yourself a favor and keep an eye out on ALL the vendors you see for some vendor-bought recipes, especially in lower city and shadowmoon valley. even 350-360 isnt bad as long as youre honored with cenarion expedition (1 adamantite bar and 2 motes of earth or 2 netherweave for one skill for a whole ten levels!). its really just the 360-375 push. that will have you slamming your d*ck in a drawer by the end of things, because at least with the d*ck slamming you know youll eventually go numb. but not with blacksmithing....youre not done with blacksmithing until blacksmithing is done with you.

Edited, Mar 25th 2007 6:23pm by Quor
#14 Mar 25 2007 at 6:10 PM Rating: Default
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13121383&pageNo=1&sid=1#9

Try this guide it really helped me, maybe it will help you.

It has leveling guide for all professions btw.
#15 Mar 26 2007 at 6:48 AM Rating: Decent
21 posts
Use the auction house to get the materials you need. I bought most of my mithril by selling iron and tin. Bought most of my thorium by selling iron and mithril. Hit 300 smithing at level 42. Can make crazy stuff I won't even be able to wear until levels 50-55.
#16 Mar 26 2007 at 7:52 AM Rating: Decent
My blacksmithing is a lot lower than that – around 270 I think – but it’s painfully slow going now. My main ingredients are mithril bars, which come slow as anything – I generally need a dozen to make a single item which means I need to find on average 4 separate places to mine – and then 4 breath of wind/core of earth/heart of fire. After several solid hours of grinding in Silithus, I might have enough of these to make 1 item… then again, I might grind away all that time and not get anything useful. It’s happened before.

Or I could go to the auction house and buy what I need. The mithril bars aren’t too bad but each breath of wind sells for 5+ gold. Core of earth and heart of fire sells for more. So to get enough ingredients together to make 1 item, I’m looking at between 20-30 gold. No doubt that will only get worse later on. The items which cost me 20-30 gold to make then sell to vendors for just over 3 gold and at auction, if I’m lucky, for about 4-5 gold.

Eventually I know I’ll get to the fabled 375 and be making the uber epic end game gear, but it seems like that might be so far off that another expansion pack will have been made in the meantime and everything I can make will be redundant by then.

In a way I can understand Blizzard making it so time consuming and expensive to make the great weapons because if it was easy, everyone playing the game would be running around with these weapons. But at the same time, the thought of how long it’s going to take, and how much it’s going to cost, just makes me wince.

I certainly haven’t got the patience to grind away enemies until I get the drops I need – not every single day – so the only option left to me is to just do quests and the like until I get enough gold together to buy them from the auction house. Assuming I could even get enough gold together to boost my blacksmithing by +1 per day, at my current position it would take me over 3 months to get there. And that’s grinding away every single day for 3 months for nothing other than simply boosting my blacksmithing. Not really my idea of fun.

I suppose one advantage of sticking with blacksmithing right through to the bitter end is that one day I’ll be one of very few people running around with the best weapons in the game :)

A pity they’re all bind on pickup because I’d really like to sell them at auction or give them to my alts to use.
#17 Mar 26 2007 at 12:38 PM Rating: Good
*****
14,326 posts
Quor wrote:
its really just the 360-375 push. that will have you slamming your d*ck in a drawer by the end of things, because at least with the d*ck slamming you know youll eventually go numb. but not with blacksmithing....youre not done with blacksmithing until blacksmithing is done with you.


Quoted as if Jesus himself said it.


Seriously, it's pretty sad when you spend 150-200g just for a single point of BS and get excited.

364!!!!
Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 11 All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (11)