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#1 Mar 23 2007 at 11:12 PM Rating: Decent
Today someone wanted a Cobrascale Hood and was asking me for cost with and without mats.

Me: "With mats I'll make it for 250g for the nether. Without mats it would depend on actual gathering time, but it won't be for less than 1000g."
Them: "Nvm, that's obscene profit for you if I don't give mats. Goodbye."

The thing takes 15 primal air and 10 cobra scales! That's 700g right there! Add in nether price and the actual time I expend getting the stuff, and 1000g's a bargain! Just because it's crafted doesn't mean you get it for cheap.

Needed to gripe.
#2 Mar 24 2007 at 12:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Tell them what the ingredients are, and ask them to look it up on the AH if they don't believe you about the prices.

I DO see price-gougers, though. They are actually quite freaking common. You got the rogues demanding 50s-1g just to open a stupid lockbox that is probably going to give you an item worth 10s, you got the Blacksmiths asking for 10g to make and install a Mithril Shield Spike (there's no way in hell that 4 Mithril Bars + Grinding Stones are worth 10g), and don't get me started on Enchanters.

Since Price Gougers are so common, I think people are pretty wary about anything that sounds suspicious, and TBH, 1000g does sound kinda suspicious at first glance. Now, maybe looking up the prices on the AH might make them realize "hey, you know, maybe he isn't trying to rip us off"?

--Xylia
#3 Mar 24 2007 at 2:46 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm personally not out to make money with my profession; as a tailor, the only pattern of interest I have at the moment is for the Spellstrike hood; 10 spellcloth (which AH for 60g) would take me 12 days to come up with, and the 5 primal mights are 100 each on my server. One person who talked to me flipped out when I said how long it took to make that amount of cloth, not to mention the 1100g price tag on those mats, and the fact that I do not do heroic dungeons regularly. I figure when I do start doing heroics, every caster in my guild will come before the general public, and most of them will be providing their own cloth and mights.
#4 Mar 24 2007 at 7:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Xylia wrote:
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I DO see price-gougers, though. They are actually quite freaking common. You got the rogues demanding 50s-1g just to open a stupid lockbox that is probably going to give you an item worth 10s, you got the Blacksmiths asking for 10g to make and install a Mithril Shield Spike (there's no way in hell that 4 Mithril Bars + Grinding Stones are worth 10g), and don't get me started on Enchanters . . .

--Xylia

Actually, why don't you get started on Enchanters? Prices charged for enchants are one of the least understood aspects of the WoW economy. And one of the areas where the cheapskates tend to be most ignorant and obtuse about how the pricing works. check out this thread, f'rinstance:

http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=69;mid=1173060815282487013;num=33;page=1
#5 Mar 25 2007 at 8:23 AM Rating: Good
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yeah, people are stupid. i feel your pain sel.
#6 Mar 25 2007 at 11:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Let's face it, 95-99% of the cost of crafted items are due to the materials.

#7 Mar 26 2007 at 7:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, but nobody knows that when you just give them a pricetag.

The best thing to do is tell them the mats needed, and that they should go check it up on the AH. They'll come to appreciate crafters a little more.

Not sure on the price of a nether, but asking for 1k gold for 700g in mats IS pretty outrageous. I haven't hit that level yet, but making 250-300G for crafting one item sure seems like alot.
#8 Mar 26 2007 at 9:12 AM Rating: Decent
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selebrin of the Seven Seas wrote:
Me: "With mats I'll make it for 250g for the nether. Without mats it would depend on actual gathering time, but it won't be for less than 1000g."
Them: "Nvm, that's obscene profit for you if I don't give mats. Goodbye."


I guess he didn't really want it, then.

Buyers can be just as greedy, if not more so, than sellers. Customers never feel that prices are low enough, so their opinion makes for a poor gauge.

Why are players so stupid about crafting costs? Because they haven't skilled your craft. The smart and fun thing to do would be trading one crafted item for another.

Xylia wrote:
You got the rogues demanding 50s-1g just to open a stupid lockbox...


I can get any box opened whenever I want with a grilled mudfish fillet.
#9 Mar 26 2007 at 10:35 AM Rating: Decent
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baveux wrote:
Yeah, but nobody knows that when you just give them a pricetag.

The best thing to do is tell them the mats needed, and that they should go check it up on the AH. They'll come to appreciate crafters a little more.

Not sure on the price of a nether, but asking for 1k gold for 700g in mats IS pretty outrageous. I haven't hit that level yet, but making 250-300G for crafting one item sure seems like alot.


He gave them two pricetags: One with mats, and one without. One should jump to the conclusion that the cost of mats would be around the difference of the two prices. Of course, if you are an idiot, I could see how you could think that the extra 700g is in some way 'obscene profit'.

I have seen primal nethers go from 125-175 on my server. I would assume that the rest of the cost would be a combination of a service charge for the actual synth (which would be related to the massive amount of money it likely took to skill up that high) and a charge related to the amount of time the crafter would have to spend farming up those mats. As a mage, I would not be surprised if a tailor would charge a fee based on the fact that if I were to use their mats, a piece of spellstrike gear would take 12 days worth of their cloth. Of course, I am a tailor as well, so I provided my own mats, and all I paid for was the nether, 175g.
#10 Mar 26 2007 at 11:20 AM Rating: Default
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There is no such thing as price gouging. You are free to buy if you want. You are free to do without if you don't like the price. Your are free to look for a better deal.
#11 Mar 27 2007 at 2:22 AM Rating: Good
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AddictedFanatic wrote:
There is no such thing as price gouging. You are free to buy if you want. You are free to do without if you don't like the price. Your are free to look for a better deal.


According to merriam-webster, a definition of 'gouge':

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3 : to subject to extortion or undue exaction : OVERCHARGE


While offering services for high prices may not be extortion, if the buyer is unaware of the market price, and charges are in unreasonable excess of the cost of the materials, this could easily be considered gouging. You may need to define 'unreasonable excess', but to deny the existence of price gouging would put you on the naive side of a matter of semantics.
#12 Mar 28 2007 at 11:43 PM Rating: Decent
An example of price gouging is selling umbrellas on a sunny day for 10$ and on a rainy day for 25.

As a general and unproved rule the people who complain most about "high" pricing would be those who would overcharge you at the first opportunity.

And don't you just love the people who ask for "cheap" mats on the trade channel
#13 Mar 29 2007 at 6:20 AM Rating: Decent
Well my gripe is why has the cost for primal mooncloth on emerald dream (alliance) dropped by 40g? You would expect 5g either way.When i put a Primal moonclth bag on AH for 850g (8x primal moonclth=100gx8=800g 4xnetherweb spider silk=7-10gx4=28-40g= 840g)plus all the time and gold i used to get my Tailoring to 375! and another Max Tailor puts the same bag on for 560g!Why do people do this???,and dont say under cutting because this is just as bad as giving it away!
#14 Mar 29 2007 at 7:09 AM Rating: Decent
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It is true, you do get price gouging a lot of the time. But if you stop to look at it, getting the recipes for a lot of these items is really hard. I have a friend who plays on my server who just spent 2 days of pure grinding to get
Formula: Enchant Bracer - Spellpower and
Formula: Enchant Boots - Dexterity

Both of which are in high demand at the moment. If he decides that he wants to charge 15g a go plus mats for these then I don't see the problem - it was him who put the effort in. Yet people still take exception to the fact that he will charge them that even if they bring the materials.
#15 Mar 29 2007 at 7:21 AM Rating: Decent
Usual thing they want something for nothing without having to any work.
#16 Mar 29 2007 at 7:37 AM Rating: Decent
Limeblue wrote:
baveux wrote:
Yeah, but nobody knows that when you just give them a pricetag.

The best thing to do is tell them the mats needed, and that they should go check it up on the AH. They'll come to appreciate crafters a little more.

Not sure on the price of a nether, but asking for 1k gold for 700g in mats IS pretty outrageous. I haven't hit that level yet, but making 250-300G for crafting one item sure seems like alot.


He gave them two pricetags: One with mats, and one without. One should jump to the conclusion that the cost of mats would be around the difference of the two prices. Of course, if you are an idiot, I could see how you could think that the extra 700g is in some way 'obscene profit'.

I have seen primal nethers go from 125-175 on my server. I would assume that the rest of the cost would be a combination of a service charge for the actual synth (which would be related to the massive amount of money it likely took to skill up that high) and a charge related to the amount of time the crafter would have to spend farming up those mats. As a mage, I would not be surprised if a tailor would charge a fee based on the fact that if I were to use their mats, a piece of spellstrike gear would take 12 days worth of their cloth. Of course, I am a tailor as well, so I provided my own mats, and all I paid for was the nether, 175g.


That's basically it. Nethers go for 250g on my server though that's falling. As for the price with my mats, it was a Cobrascale Hood:
15 Primal Air: 30g each at best, 450g
10 cobra scales: 30g each at best and never on the AH, 300g
15 primal shadow: 10 cents for 12, pocket change
Primal Nether: the aforementioned 250g

Add to that the fact that I would be farming the mats because they're rarely on the AH, and cobra scales completely suck to farm, with few spawns and an abysmal skinning rate. Final price would depend on how long I spent getting the mats.
#17 Mar 29 2007 at 11:15 PM Rating: Decent
odtbash wrote:
Well my gripe is why has the cost for primal mooncloth on emerald dream (alliance) dropped by 40g? You would expect 5g either way.When i put a Primal moonclth bag on AH for 850g (8x primal moonclth=100gx8=800g 4xnetherweb spider silk=7-10gx4=28-40g= 840g)plus all the time and gold i used to get my Tailoring to 375! and another Max Tailor puts the same bag on for 560g!Why do people do this???,and dont say under cutting because this is just as bad as giving it away!


In many ways Wow is like real life.
If these people were running a business it wouldn't last long. And in real life you do see financial situations which are obvious to you and other people are blind to.
The solution (risky) to this problem is to buy the article for 560g and sell it for 840g.
#18 Mar 29 2007 at 11:18 PM Rating: Decent
thegreatmothra wrote:
If he decides that he wants to charge 15g a go plus mats for these then I don't see the problem - it was him who put the effort in. Yet people still take exception to the fact that he will charge them that even if they bring the materials.


One has to be philosophical. People will object to anything. After all on a rainy it does seem strange to have to pay the water bill, but of course someone has to be paid to distribute the water. Lots of people forget this.
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