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#27 Aug 08 2007 at 4:46 PM Rating: Decent
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What pisses me off personally is tailors that make something for "your mats and my nether". Now I am supposed to trust someone I know nothing about with 8 primal mights and few other things?

I tried to explain to some people that only fair would be to make that whatever (in this case battlecast) at request and trade crafted item for mats and gold to customer. Yes, there is slight risk someone will order and not get it but then BoE items can always be sold in AH.
I find the risk they would take with making things in front is lot less than me taking the risk of just giving them over 1k g worth mats with no guarantee of getting anything for it.


Take off the tinfoil hat. A tailor isn't going to tie up 1000g in mats (assuming they even HAVE 1000g, I sure as hell never did as a tailor), just to make a stupid 5g tip from a customer.

Its the exact same as enchanting, you have to GIVE the enchanter your mats before the enchant gets done. If a tailor tried to rob you of mats, all trades are logged, you'd put in a ticket and have your items back in a day, while the other person gets warned/suspended/banned.

Edited, Aug 8th 2007 8:48pm by mikelolol
#28 Aug 08 2007 at 8:40 PM Rating: Decent
When it comes to the big ticket items/enchants, having the "customer" provide the mats really seems the only way to go. There are no doubt some tradespeople who will try to bugger off with the mats, but at least in that case there's recourse. A GM can sort it out and get them back to you.

If I'm giving someone mats to make something for me and I don't know the person, I always send them a /w shortly before the trade outlining exactly what is about to happen (ie. "I'm giving you x of <this> and y of <that> so you can make me <something>, and (if applicable) I'll be giving you x gold when you trade <something> back to me, right?")

Tidy, succinct transaction record for easy perusal by a GM if need be.

There's really no legitimate reason other than laziness why someone wouldn't go buy the mats themselves if they want something enchanted/made. Since the overwhelming majority of these transactions take place in a city, they have just as easy access to the auction as I do. If they don't trust me to give me the mats so I can fill their order, that's fine. They can go without.
#29 Aug 08 2007 at 11:05 PM Rating: Decent
Sethy wrote:
All I am saying that it doesnt have to be matter of trust but simple fair trade. With some rare endgame patterns it can be done without much risk on any side.

I don't keep any mats on me at all, so any enchants I do MUST be with customer-supplied mats. All my mats are on the AH. I make my profit whether I perform the enchant, or whether a person he trusts buys them. I even make my profit if the buyer has them ripped off by a third party. Trust doesn't really enter into my enchanting world (except that lack of trust in me expressed in chat will **** me off and get a person /ignored).
#30 Aug 09 2007 at 12:59 AM Rating: Decent
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mikelolol wrote:
A tailor isn't going to tie up 1000g in mats (assuming they even HAVE 1000g, I sure as hell never did as a tailor), just to make a stupid 5g tip from a customer.


I have much more than 1000g and I am tailor myself, I am not talking about 5g tip I am talking about 200g for nether.
I heard many complaints about 70ies giving stuff to 70ies they never got back so I dont believe in GMs giving me anything back if I get robed.

All I see around me is extremely greedy players that are willing to trade all decency and reputation for some sh***y green drop they can only get maybe 5g worth arcane dust from.

I do not expect trust from anyone, if I have to craft/trade with someone I very much take care I do it in the most fair way possible.

Tbh, I couldnt care less if you would put me on ignore, Mike, if I dont know anything about you and you expect me to trust you just like that I wouldnt care to talk to you ever again.


#31 Aug 09 2007 at 1:52 AM Rating: Good
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I heard many complaints about 70ies giving stuff to 70ies they never got back so I dont believe in GMs giving me anything back if I get robed.


Why would the deal be reversed if you got your robe off the tailor? :)

On a more serious note, Mike is clearly stating that he is not in this to level his enchanting by selling enchants. In fact, he claims that he makes all the money he needs selling mats on the auction house. Why should any of you guys trust the other? The buyer risks being ripped off if he hands over the mats- Likewise, if the crafter buys the mats he risks the customer changing his mind or being out of gold.

Only difference is that if you sell all your mats instead of enchant with them is that you don't care if you don't make any enchanting business. Ergo it's only a potential risk with no gains for him to use his own mats for enchanting.

As for my self, my enchanting is just around 240, so I haven't sold an enchant yet. I don't even think I could sell any of the few I know. I'm still a bit away from fiery and crusader, so for now I'm quite content with staying at 240 as I don't see any prospects of making money in a long time. Why would I start intruding on an overfilled market where the sellers are treated like sh** for not supplying mats at half price or less?

I made a small calculation of the costs involved in levelling the different crafting skills, and the figures are very different I must say. Ranging between 600G and 6000G. Of course server economy comes into play here as well. So I really understand enchanters (6000G) need to be a bit careful. If you are to reduce this number significantly, you can't sell chants with a 50% loss even if it means skilling up. Worse even if it does not give you a skill point.

I assume also that if you want to be a successful crafter, the money is in the high level products, level 350 - 375? The market of players buying them will be a limited one. And if you get a word for not fulfilling your end of the bargain, you wouldn't get any business, am I right? So cheating someone out of mats would not be good for business in the long run anyway.

I know my meaning might not carry too much weight with all of you, as I have no level 70 character or 375 crafters. I still think too many pass judgement on others thoughts without putting themself in their position. We all try to make the most/best/safest out of the marvellous system that is given us by Blizzard.
#32 Aug 09 2007 at 3:39 AM Rating: Decent
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bkhovde wrote:
So cheating someone out of mats would not be good for business in the long run anyway.


I personally have on my ignore list two 70s who scammed some other players for sure (one of those other players is a friend of mine and he never saw his stack of shadowcloth and primal mights again).
Those 70s are still around and in "respectable" guilds and still listed as master crafters and still running instances where they try to "need by accident" any interesting drop. No matter how many purplez they have on.

Maybe its my server /shrug, since it got opened for transfers the population seems to have lower and lower moral standards.

#33 Aug 09 2007 at 5:00 AM Rating: Good
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/sigh

Maybe I should stay blizzfully ignorant at level 66 and never start raiding or epic crafting.

I guess you could run into rotten eggs in World of Warcraft just as much as in real life. I just hope I don't run into your ignore list members. I have only ignored people for being irritating in ways of constantly duel requesting and griefing (yes same fraction griefing - by banishing my targets repeatedly)
#34 Aug 09 2007 at 6:33 AM Rating: Decent
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kindgreen wrote:
emmitsvenson wrote:
...post your own stock of ...materials at an obscene price...Then ask on the trade channels for an enchanter...offer an extremely generous fee...at the last instant, whoops! Disconnect! ...reap the cash you got when the enchanter bought out your overpriced auction.


You, sir, are an evil genius.


No, I am not. I am NOT endorsing this kind of dishonest behavior. I would never do it myself, and I think less of anyone who would do it.

[quote=kindgreen
I had the big iron fishing pole and one of them was admiring it. I lied and told him i bought mine from AH for 100g and it was oh-so worth it (I'd been farming them with my lock). He departed heading back to AH. I promptly disconnected, logged back on with bank, posted said pole for 100g, profit.
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This, however, is just creative marketing. I'm fine with that.
#35 Aug 09 2007 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I have much more than 1000g and I am tailor myself, I am not talking about 5g tip I am talking about 200g for nether.


Grats, most dont, and on my server nethers are 100g max, 75g average. I sure as heck wouldnt tie up 1000g because somebody is paranoid. I've NEVER heard of anyone getting scammed, I play on a medium/high pop server, it just doesnt happen.

No offense, but I really dont believe your stories of people getting robbed and GM's doing nothing. I just dont buy it. Unless they didnt bother to report (why??), the GM's would at the very least, go into the trade log, and get the items back.

Edited, Aug 9th 2007 3:06pm by mikelolol
#36 Aug 10 2007 at 3:23 AM Rating: Decent
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mikelolol wrote:
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I have much more than 1000g and I am tailor myself, I am not talking about 5g tip I am talking about 200g for nether.


Grats, most dont, and on my server nethers are 100g max, 75g average. I sure as heck wouldnt tie up 1000g because somebody is paranoid. I've NEVER heard of anyone getting scammed, I play on a medium/high pop server, it just doesnt happen.

No offense, but I really dont believe your stories of people getting robbed and GM's doing nothing. I just dont buy it. Unless they didnt bother to report (why??), the GM's would at the very least, go into the trade log, and get the items back.


For one I know he didnt report but I dont know why, said he was angry about GMs solving some other matter and he wouldnt talk to them again.
For other person I am not sure, I didnt investigate.

As for nether, I was asked for 300g and 2 weeks waiting for it - I would have even payed the gold but waiting was too much to bear.
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