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#1 Jan 19 2008 at 7:53 AM Rating: Default
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I'm a leatherworker, 290 skill, with precious few orange recipes to work with. Then I noticed that my winterveil Winter Boots recipe was orange. So I faffed about half the morning collecting bolts of woollen cloth and copper bars, hunted down sufficient rugged leather for 5 sets and bought the rune thread I would need.

None of the 5 sets gave me a skill up. I thought this was odd, so I opened a GM ticket. They responded by ingame mail while I was briefly AFK, telling me it was an issue with a custom user interface. That's nonsense, surely - so I opened another ticket to tell them so. This one got an ingame mail response while I was having my lunch - this time, they claimed that orange recipes do not always give a skill up.

What then is the point of the grey/green/yellow/orange listings? More to the point, every orange recipe I made before the boots gave a skill up, the few I've made since all gave a skill up.

Are they just feeding me a line because it's a busy saturday and I might shut up and go away? I realise that, if there is a small percentage chance of not getting skill up from an orange recipe then it is not beyond possibility that that could happen 5 times in a row, coincidentally on the same recipe, but not before or after (coincidentally on different recipes). I'm not so inclined to believe that is the case, though.

By the way, the boots vend for 1copper, have no stats and cant be DE'd - I doubt I can find a player market for them either. If you were considering making some, my advice is: don't.

EDIT: I just reread the skills FAQ sticky. This site seems convinced orange=100% skillup...as am I, from experience.
EDIT: just had a futile conversation with a gm, who denied treating me like an idiot because he never used the word 'idiot'. Someone should change the sticky, since the Word of Blizzard is that orange does not equal 100% skill up.

Edited, Jan 19th 2008 11:01am by jiggeryqua

Edited, Jan 19th 2008 11:33am by jiggeryqua
#2 Jan 19 2008 at 9:22 AM Rating: Excellent
Maybe event-based items weren't meant for leveling?
#3 Jan 19 2008 at 9:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Maybe not - but why then make them appear orange? It's downright deceitful.
#4 Jan 19 2008 at 9:31 AM Rating: Decent
Probably because you barely had enough skill to learn it. Heck I don't know, I don't work for Blizzard. I've never heard of anyone using special event stuff to level, and it would make sense to me that they wouldn't provide skill ups, but apparently you didn't see it that way.
#5REDACTED, Posted: Jan 19 2008 at 9:48 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Dilbert, there are names on this board that I recognise, and would take it on the chin if I got an aggressive, ego-fuelled response from.
#6 Jan 19 2008 at 12:22 PM Rating: Good
Dilbert is a very helpful poster around these part, has helped me with a multitude of things and given great advice.

Onto the question:

I believe that it was an unintended bug for the event items (tailoring + leatherworking) to give skillups, and for some reason they have fixed it but forgot to un-orange the item. As far as I know, all orange things give skillups.
#7 Jan 19 2008 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
Sounds like a bug to me, and Anobix is right event items are not supposed to give skillups.


P.S: You dont know Dilbrt? Lololololololol.
#8REDACTED, Posted: Jan 19 2008 at 3:03 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I don't know you either, muffin - and I don't think I want to. But at least I got a sensible answer from someone in the end.
#9 Jan 19 2008 at 3:14 PM Rating: Good
jiggeryqua wrote:
And what does "Probably because you barely had enough skill to learn it" mean??


Game mechanic explination: In warcraft, professions have a skill level. In order to learn additional crafts, you must have the correct skill level in the profession. What I meant was, for instance, if the recipe required you to be 100 in that profession, that you were probably barely 100, so it showed orange. If the skill required 100 and you were, say 300, the skill would be grey. There's no need to get an attitude with me just because you can't comprehend what I'm saying.
#10REDACTED, Posted: Jan 19 2008 at 3:38 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Oh get over yourself dilbrt, the only person showing an attitude so far is you - and if you really do get kicks from forum spats it seems like a deep-seated attitudinal problem.
#11 Jan 19 2008 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
There was a bug in the event as my GL made boots and got skill ups, and they fixed it quickly and I never got a skill up. I do not know about the color thing, it was hard to say a level of the boots, but we were both over 300 LW
#12 Jan 19 2008 at 4:43 PM Rating: Good
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Same thing with making cookies. The recipe required 1 cooking but it gave very little skill ups compared to equal level recipes.

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P.S: You dont know Dilbrt? Lololololololol.


Who are you?

Edited, Jan 19th 2008 7:45pm by ShinnAsuka
#13 Jan 19 2008 at 6:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Who are you?


Sometimes I wonder the same...
#14 Jan 19 2008 at 7:20 PM Rating: Good
Fine, if all you want to do is attack me for attempting to help, then I won't waste my time with any more of your posts.
#15REDACTED, Posted: Jan 19 2008 at 7:23 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Oh dear, dilbrt...having a bad day? I'll tell you what - I did finally get some sensible answers to my question, from people without personality problems, so I'll not post in this thread any more. You can pretend you've 'won', if you like - it's no skin off my nose.
#16 Jan 19 2008 at 7:59 PM Rating: Good
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Just have to say, in honor of Dilbrt, lawl ret.

That said, yeah, I made two pairs of the things, thinking they were easier to get the mats for than the wicked leather things I was making instead, but after I saw they didn't give me skill ups, I just said ***** it, and made the wicked leather items instead...it's not like it's that hard to do.
#17REDACTED, Posted: Jan 20 2008 at 4:05 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Not at all 'hard' to do, Vaeliorin - nor did I suggest it was. Time-consuming, and relatively expensive given the (non)value of the items produced and the absence of skill ups. I made 5 because I'd gathered the materials for 5 - and there was an outside chance that even the fifth might have given a skill-up.
#18 Jan 20 2008 at 6:40 PM Rating: Good
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jiggeryqua wrote:
Not at all 'hard' to do, Vaeliorin - nor did I suggest it was. Time-consuming, and relatively expensive given the (non)value of the items produced and the absence of skill ups. I made 5 because I'd gathered the materials for 5 - and there was an outside chance that even the fifth might have given a skill-up.

Um...not my fault you didn't notice it wasn't doing anything...that's just kind of silly. And it's not like the mats are that bad to get. Bolt of wool and a copper bar (ooh, how horrible) and 5 rugged leather (I think...still, not many rugged leather). Besides, I turned around and sold the 2 I made for 2 gold each on the AH, so I don't know what you're complaining about, honestly.
#19 Jan 21 2008 at 6:57 AM Rating: Decent
I must say, we appear to be getting quite a few new posters in the last few days that are asking a question, meeting some Allakhazam people, and flaming away at the answers.

I've downgraded my filters to see Sub-Default. The comedy value is wonderful.

Perhaps someone should sticky Flea's opening post? That seemed a good example of how to meet friends and influence people, or at least the correct way to deal with any Random Allakhazam "love"...
#20 Jan 21 2008 at 11:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's only kind of been mentioned off-hand here, so here's my Smiley: twocents

Originally the Winter Veil recipes were bugged to give skill-ups way beyond when they were grey. There were a couple of people making posts on this board getting skilled-up to 375 on that recipe. My guess is that in light of this bug, Blizz has mega-nerfed the recipes so that they no longer, or at least very rarely, give skill-ups.
#21 Jan 21 2008 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
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Admiral Placeholder wrote:
It's only kind of been mentioned off-hand here, so here's my Smiley: twocents

Originally the Winter Veil recipes were bugged to give skill-ups way beyond when they were grey. There were a couple of people making posts on this board getting skilled-up to 375 on that recipe. My guess is that in light of this bug, Blizz has mega-nerfed the recipes so that they no longer, or at least very rarely, give skill-ups.


Quoted in agreement.

I have never failed to get a skill up on an orange item on trained pattern for the major crafting profs (LWing, Tailoring, Blacksmithing, Engineering, Herbalism, Enchanting). First Aid and gathering profs are a different story.
#22 Jan 21 2008 at 4:16 PM Rating: Excellent
Ok let's play nice now.
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