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#1 Nov 19 2008 at 5:50 PM Rating: Excellent
Hello all

Wise ones of the Allakhazam forums:

I wish to speak of two 'toons, a blacksmith Hunter, and a leatherworking Warrior. Until each chose to specialize, the Hunter to ArmourSmithing and the Warrior to Dragonscale LW.

At that point, I saw that many recipes are Bind on Pick-up! So, the Hunter will not ultimately be able to make much at all for the Warrior, and nor will the Warrior be able to make much for the Hunter. (They both in mid-40sand each have their respective gathering and crafting professions at or just under 300).

I should have realized this and made the Warrior a Blacksmith, and the Hunter a Leatherworker. This might be the right forum post in which I could be properly pilloried, in fact.

I know there are many good guides for respeccing professions, and I have easily the resources for LW, and, with extra mining, for BS)

However, at this point, I seek your advice:

1) Should I respec the two profession-wise (maybe keep the Hunter mining and the Warrior skinning, to minimize inconvenience, but change the Hunter to Leatherworking and the Warrior to Blacksmithing)?

Or, 2) is there any hope that if Blizzard creates an account-sharing BOP item class, that the high-end items could be shared, and make my proposed change unnecessary?

Sorry for the complicated question, but this forum has always come through.

#2 Nov 19 2008 at 11:15 PM Rating: Good
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Just switch them.


I have a side question though. What possessed you to make a LW warrior and a BS hunter? That's completely counterintuitive based on those class's respective armor classes.
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#3 Nov 19 2008 at 11:25 PM Rating: Default
The BS hunter I can see - figure he'd be able to make chain and weapons at higher levels and probably didn't realize, but yeah, the LW warrior is kinda puzzling.

However...

The new LW patches for wrists and legs that can only be used by the LW on himself are pretty slammin and might help out the warrior, plus, its not like he couldn't simply make stuff and mail it to the hunter.

Not sure whether or not it'll be worth the hunter's while to stay BS though, although from what I've heard the BS epics are all now BOE so it might not hurt either.
#4 Nov 20 2008 at 3:02 PM Rating: Good
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If you decide to swap the crafting professions, I'd suggest swapping the gathering ones also. In the long run, I think it would be more convenient than constantly mailing ore and skins back and forth between the characters. It's a little bit of a chore, but it really doesn't take too long to level gathering professions.
#5 Nov 20 2008 at 4:21 PM Rating: Good
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azwing wrote:
If you decide to swap the crafting professions, I'd suggest swapping the gathering ones also. In the long run, I think it would be more convenient than constantly mailing ore and skins back and forth between the characters. It's a little bit of a chore, but it really doesn't take too long to level gathering professions.


I agree, especially since you'll be heading back to the starter zones to pick up the mats anyway, might as well keep the gathering/crafting together.
#6 Nov 22 2008 at 10:57 PM Rating: Decent
Thank-you all very much---I needed the perspective you all offered.

I will probably look a bit longer, then likely switch (fun trolling around Wailing Caverns and making Deviate Scale thises or thats again!).
#7 Nov 24 2008 at 11:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Your question implies that you do not have Wrath of the Lich King yet. In TBC the best epics were BoP. In WotLK almost all crafted items are BoE (though there are some BoP craftable items for each profession that are pretty cool).

Let's see what you get assuming that you either HAVE WotLK or plan on getting it soon:

Hunter:

Mining = health bonus (nice for a hunter, more negligible on the warrior)

BS = Mail Armor for the hunter from 40-80 and the ability to socket some of your armor, and level 70-80 plate and shields that are BoE and can be used for the warrior as well. Sure, the warrior won't get any crafted level 60 or 70 purples from the hunter, but there are plenty of craftable GREENS at level 70 that only require a few cobalt bars that the warrior would LOVE!)

Warrior:

Skinning = crit rating bonus (nice for a warrior regardless of spec, more negligible on the hunter since the hunter should be loaded with Crit Rating anyway)

LW = mostly armor kits for the warrior (but the high-end LW only ones are NICE), and high-level stuff that can be used by the hunter.

SO, if you plan on being stuck in TBC forever, I guess switch. If you have (or are soon getting) WotLK, stick with what you have even though at first glance it SEEMS weird. It will probably be as beneficial or even more beneficial to just stick with what you have and save the trouble of switching. Basically, life will suck from level 300-350 or so, but once you are in Northrend and can start learning all of the trainable BoE stuff out there, your profession choices as they now stand will probably be just fine (and probably much more beneficial to both toons than you think!)



Edited, Nov 24th 2008 2:28pm by jeromesimina
#8 Nov 24 2008 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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Hunter:

Mining = health bonus (nice for a hunter, more negligible on the warrior)

BS = Mail Armor for the hunter from 40-80 and the ability to socket some of your armor, and level 70-80 plate and shields that are BoE and can be used for the warrior as well. Sure, the warrior won't get any crafted level 60 or 70 purples from the hunter, but there are plenty of craftable GREENS at level 70 that only require a few cobalt bars that the warrior would LOVE!)


I was under the impression that people who take massive axes and flaming balls of fire to the face would be the ones who would need the health bonus, not ranged attackers with a permanent tank and a handy aggro-drop.

I was also under the impression that at level 40 there is much more plate armor than mail armor for BS and that LWs were the ones that gained the ability to make mail with stats a hunter would want.

To the OP: I would definitely bite the bullet and just get it done, but that's me. Although at 80 you may not have the problem of recipes being BoP, you will along the way. Also, I would consider only changing out gathering professions if you a) don't think you can live with the inconvenience, b) would rather see the HP/Crit rating be reversed for the classes. If you pick no, then keep the gathering skills and live with your decision.

You can think in the same perspective for the crafting professions as well, but unless you research enough to know ALL the recipes you will be able to obtain while you're playing(which is nigh impossible), you won't be able to properly list the pros and cons when making the decision.
#9 Nov 24 2008 at 12:18 PM Rating: Decent
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baveux wrote:
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Hunter:

Mining = health bonus (nice for a hunter, more negligible on the warrior)

BS = Mail Armor for the hunter from 40-80 and the ability to socket some of your armor, and level 70-80 plate and shields that are BoE and can be used for the warrior as well. Sure, the warrior won't get any crafted level 60 or 70 purples from the hunter, but there are plenty of craftable GREENS at level 70 that only require a few cobalt bars that the warrior would LOVE!)


I was under the impression that people who take massive axes and flaming balls of fire to the face would be the ones who would need the health bonus, not ranged attackers with a permanent tank and a handy aggro-drop.

I was also under the impression that at level 40 there is much more plate armor than mail armor for BS and that LWs were the ones that gained the ability to make mail with stats a hunter would want.


I guess this would be true if you discount PvP and you plan to spend inordinate amounts of time NOT leveling.

If you PvP, a 300+ health bonus to a decently geared hunter is more significant than a 300+ health bonus to a decently geared warrior. In addition, in PvE your pet can die, FD can be resisted, or you can inadvertantly aggro too much at one time, so the health bonus from mining could still come in very handy. Also, the crit rating bonus from skinning would probably not be super-beneficial to either class, but usually a hunter is absolutely loaded with crit rating, while a warrior probably wouldn't have as much crit rating, so skinning would probably help the warrior a bit more.

Yes, along the way from 40-70, LW is superior to BS for the hunter. From 70-80 it makes no difference. The same is true of BS and the Warrior. If the OP has WotLK and plans to level at a reasonable pace, the quest rewards and dungeon drops that the hunter and warrior will acquire along the way will be more than sufficient for getting to 80, making the choice of professions before level 80 pretty much a mute point. Unless Blizzard suddenly adds really nice BoP sets at 80 (LW for hunter and BS for Warrior) which they have not yet done, I really wouldn't bother switching unless you plan to level at a snail's pace.

There is absolutely no point in making level 60 or level 70 BoP craftable purples while levelling to 80. For one thing, even if you skin and mine, the mats are either expensive or time consuming to come up with, and the items made are only slightly superior to dungeon drops and quest rewards. If you just use the dungeon drops and quest rewards on the way to 80, you can save your money for things like flight training, epic flight training, and cold-weather flight training all of which will be more useful to both of your toons than BoP craftable level 60 or 70 purples would be in the long run.

Edited, Nov 24th 2008 3:26pm by jeromesimina

Edited, Nov 24th 2008 3:30pm by jeromesimina
#10 Nov 24 2008 at 12:20 PM Rating: Good
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Hunter:

Mining = health bonus (nice for a hunter, more negligible on the warrior)

Skinning = crit rating bonus (nice for a warrior regardless of spec, more negligible on the hunter since the hunter should be loaded with Crit Rating anyway)


I have to disagree with this. As a semi-retired raiding hunter (switched to feral druid), I would have to say that the Skinning bonus is far superior to the Mining bonus. Crit rating equals more damage. No such thing as "negligible" when you're trying to maximize your damage output. Health bonus is really the negligible one, since a hunter shouldn't be taking much damage in the first place. I'm not into PvP, but I would think a PvP hunter would also rather have the crit over health.

Depending on the spec, the warrior could go for either bonus. Prot warrior is more likely to want the health, but dps warriors probably wants the crit.

My 2 copper.
#11 Nov 24 2008 at 1:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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I guess this would be true if you discount PvP and you plan to spend inordinate amounts of time NOT leveling.

If you PvP, a 300+ health bonus to a decently geared hunter is more significant than a 300+ health bonus to a decently geared warrior.


I understand what you're trying to say, but saying that a health bonus is better for a hunter in general than a warrior isn't true. Obviously health is important in PvP, but other than that I can't see why 300 health is better on a hunter than on a warrior. Yes, its a smaller percentage increase of their health, but 300 health on a plate wearing warrior is worth just as much as 300 health on a hunter imo.

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In addition, in PvE your pet can die, FD can be resisted, or you can inadvertantly aggro too much at one time, so the health bonus from mining could still come in very handy.


So after your pet dies, after FD gets resisted, and after you get snared so you can't drop trap/wing clip and run away, health is important? You're trying to get around the issue that outside of PvP, hunters should NEVER take hits. Warriors take hits when leveling, PvPing, and have a spec where they take all the hits for a group. How your trying to validate that health is more valid on a hunter and negligible on a warrior, I don't know.

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Also, the crit rating bonus from skinning would probably not be super-beneficial to either class, but usually a hunter is absolutely loaded with crit rating, while a warrior probably wouldn't have as much crit rating, so skinning would probably help the warrior a bit more.


You'd have to look at total class mechanics to even try to answer that one. Procs on crits, DoTs, that sort of thing. Again, I don't believe hunters getting a smaller %increase of crit rating than warriors validates crit as being better for warriors.

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Yes, along the way from 40-70, LW is superior to BS for the hunter. From 70-80 it makes no difference. The same is true of BS and the Warrior. If the OP has WotLK and plans to level at a reasonable pace, the quest rewards and dungeon drops that the hunter and warrior will acquire along the way will be more than sufficient for getting to 80, making the choice of professions before level 80 pretty much a mute point. Unless Blizzard suddenly adds really nice BoP sets at 80 (LW for hunter and BS for Warrior) which they have not yet done, I really wouldn't bother switching unless you plan to level at a snail's pace.

There is absolutely no point in making level 60 or level 70 BoP craftable purples while levelling to 80. For one thing, even if you skin and mine, the mats are either expensive or time consuming to come up with, and the items made are only slightly superior to dungeon drops and quest rewards. If you just use the dungeon drops and quest rewards on the way to 80, you can save your money for things like flight training, epic flight training, and cold-weather flight training all of which will be more useful to both of your toons than BoP craftable level 60 or 70 purples would be in the long run.


Whether you level quickly or slowly, I would still switch. Being under level 300 means that he hasn't run into the more expensive mats yet. It won't cost him that much to get back up there. A few hours of mining/skinning and it'll be done.

Edited, Nov 24th 2008 4:38pm by baveux
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