Courtesy in MMOs: Dead, Or Just Hiding?

Sam "azerian" Maxted is showing his age with his most recent editorial about the diminishing courtesy in MMOs that once existed but is now seemingly all but gone.

You know the elderly think things were better when they were young; that ice cream was sweeter, summers were hotter and you were grateful for what you had? Given what I've been seeing in MMOs of late, I could be on my way to joining them. I've been shaking my head over the past few months at the way some people behave online. I don't know if it's just the servers I've been playing on, but increasing numbers of players seem to want something for nothing, and aren't afraid to step all over you in order to get it. I'd like to start by addressing something that most of us will have seen in MMOs, and which some may even have participated in when we were newbies. This topic, ladies and gentlemen, is begging.

Personally, I have no time for beggars. It's not difficult to earn money in most subscription-based MMOs, so beggars tend to get a mix of two reactions. The first would be "get lost and earn your money like everyone else", with the second being something like "if you'd gone out and levelled, you'd have earned twice that by now". Why people beg in MMOs really confuses me, when it seems such a pointless exercise. At best you waste some time and miss out on a load of EXP, while at worst you ruin your character's reputation and set yourself up for pranks. I have to admit that I've done the old trick of leaving cash in a trade window before going AFK, just to see how long the beggar would wait for me to hit "Trade". This may be a bit of a dick move in itself, but it's generally reserved for the more obnoxious beggars out there.

While people have been begging for money in MMOs since day one, the number of those asking for - or even demanding - "boosts" and power levelling seems to have rocketed in the last few years. It used to be that I could play during peak times without being asked for this, but these days I get someone begging for this kind of help a few times a week. Now, I'm not a heartless person, so I don't mind helping with something that's nearby and won't take too long. However, I don't see why I should spend an hour or more babysitting someone I don't know through a low level instance, so they don't have to worry about competing for loot. If I knew the person who was asking for help and I wasn't busy, then things would be different. However, I'm usually only asked by people wanting a free ride.

Something else that bothers me is the language people can use when they don't get their own way. For example, I was playing WoW recently and waiting for the instance server to behave so my group could enter Azjol-Nerub. A few of us were flagged for PvP (having come straight from a Battleground) and we were ambushed and killed by a group of Horde. Rather than wait to be de-flagged from PvP, one of my group kept respawning and attacking the Horde by himself. This prompted him to hurl abuse through the public chat channels about how we - and others nearby - should have helped him in his doomed crusade. Fortunately, he logged out in a huff and was replaced just in time for us to start the instance. It did, however, prompt some members of the group into saying it wasn't the first time they'd seen this sort of thing recently. I can understand a bit of swearing going on in front of the PC when your character's killed in an ambush, or making some comments in-game if the situation was unavoidable. On the other hand, targeted abuse is completely unnecessary. Why risk your account being suspended by swearing at people, especially when those people haven't done anything wrong? It's easier to be forgiving of new players - particularly if they're new to the genre - but max-level players doing it confuses the hell out of me.

Still on the subject of instances in WoW, it really bugs me when everyone in the group assumes they'll be teleported there. For the uninitiated, when two members of a group reach an instance's Meeting Stone, they can use it to summon everyone else. However, I've often seen group members refuse to head over to the Meeting Stone, even when they're closest ones to it. This usually means someone has to travel half way across the world to help with the summoning, when Mr Lazy could've made things ten times quicker. Before you say it, this isn't due to the offending group member(s) being afk - some people simply can't be bothered to travel to Meeting Stones themselves.

While the Meeting Stone thing gets on my nerves, it pales in comparison to group members who go AFK for half an hour - or even log out - because they need to eat dinner half way through a dungeon. I can say that I've never done this and, barring a stroke or an attack of near-terminal stupidity, never will. It has to take some kind of sociopath to join an instance group with no intention of actually finishing the dungeon, or making four other people wait while you eat. Wasting an entire group's time like this makes me angry - I'm starting to feel it just writing this. Is it that some people simply don't think before joining a group, or do they join on the off-chance that they'll finish before they need to leave? An apology or the character saying in advance that they didn't have long would go a long way towards smoothing things over. However, at least in my experience, this hardly ever happens. The offending character simply disappears with a message saying "AFK - dinner", then gets annoyed when the group either splits up or has kicked him by the time he comes back. If anyone here has done this (or knows someone who has), please let us know what caused this behaviour. There may be something I'm missing here, but on face value it seems like one of the most inconsiderate things someone can do in an MMO.

This brings me onto my final point, which can be summed up in three letters: plz. Maybe it's the writer in me, but I don't like the word "plz" at all. When people use it towards me, they may as well not bother: it simply doesn't sound like a "please". To me, it sounds like the person saying it knows a "please" is expected, but they can't be bothered to type it out and don't really mean it. I might be getting the wrong end of the stick here (at least in some cases), but that's how it comes across. Is it really so hard to add the extra three letters? It's not as if they're spread across the keyboard. And how did a "z" wind up replacing an "s", anyway?

So, with all this staring me in the face, can I say that courtesy in MMOs is dead? No, I don't think so. While everything I've listed here is annoying and seems to happen more than it used to, the majority of players don't behave this way. In reality it's only a small minority who do any of the above, with the exception of using "plz". What happened when I was waiting outside Azjol-Nerub actually gives me hope; one player may have been out of line, but others nearby reacted to him in the same way I did. In other words, while one person in the group had some serious anger management issues, the others - and everyone else nearby - were just fine. As long as the majority of gamers can't be accurately described by Penny Arcade's theory, we should be ok for a while yet.

SAM "azerian" Maxted
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# Mar 26 2009 at 10:54 PM Rating: Excellent
If i had to rank the top 5 things in wow that **** me off they would be:
1: Gold sellers.
2: Gold beggers.
3: Instance beggers.
4: Griefers.
5: Gankers (this term, to me, applys only to people who either refuse to fight someone fairly, but have to wait until they could not possibly lose, no matter how much of an advantage they originally had, or someone who ganks lowbie settlements.)

I dont like gold sellers for the same reasons Tamat doesnt: it shows they're lazy. If they dont want to take the trivial amount of time to earn that 3 silver they're begging for, they dont deserve my attention. Fortunately i haven't seen an 80 do this yet, but i'm just dreading the day i see one in trade and i emo-plode in trade.

instance beggers i just dont understand. Sure i know they want gear, but its gonna be replaced in a few weeks (if they are horrid at leveling) by better gear anyway, and if they are looking for free xp, they're out of luck, since we Highbies negate about 90% of the potential xp they could gain, so they can get more xp leveling.

Griefers are jerks, plain and simple, and i refuse to have anything to do with them. They're the main reason my ignore box is so full these days.

Gankers are useless, bored pricks imo who torture lowbie zones because they are either incapable of doing anything vaguely useful or productive, or bored out of their minds, in which case they need some alts.
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# Mar 26 2009 at 10:35 PM Rating: Default
That afk trade trick is fairly epic. I think the reason you see so much begging is because it eventually pays off for the begger. If beggers never got what they wanted, it wouldn't be so rampant. If someone sends me a tell asking for a free run, I'll say no. If they explode and say this or that, then I don't feel too bad about not helping them out. If they go, "oh ok thanks anyway" then I'll probably run it for them. Feel people out to see if they're punks or not and you'll feel better when you end up doing a run for nice people.

As for people leaving in the middle of pug instances, deal with it. If you want a solid group, do a guild run. You're at max level, so there's plenty of other people you can fill their spot with. You have 3 others already there with you to help summon. If someone can't be bothered to run outside the instance to help you summon, then I guess you'll need to fill two spots instead of one. True, you aren't in the trade channel to spam for your missing member, but that's not trading either. The lfg channel works in the instance. I recommend using it.
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# Mar 26 2009 at 9:46 PM Rating: Decent
Eh, I don't really see an increasing trend. I played FFXI before and people always complained about stuff like this, although now to hear people talk FFXI is one of the pinacles of community interaction. I didn't really see any evidence of that.

As for Wow, I've played on a few different servers, both as Horde and Alliance, and I don't really see too much out of the ordinary. You see more of this type of behavior in Alliance trade and general, of course, but that's been the case for years. Other than that, I think maybe you've just had a string of bad luck. I still see all kinds of good behavior, just not the kind that shouts in the town square.

In fact, just the other day, I was on my Horde Mage on Sen'jin, and an Alliance char helped me kill a boss that would have otherwise kicked the crap out of me. In turn, I stayed and helped him solo the same boss. Is this indicative of a trend? I don't know about that. But I do know that circumstantial evidence is cirumstantial.
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# Mar 26 2009 at 9:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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While the Meeting Stone thing gets on my nerves, it pales in comparison to group members who go AFK for half an hour - or even log out - because they need to eat dinner half way through a dungeon. I can say that I've never done this and, barring a stroke or an attack of near-terminal stupidity, never will. It has to take some kind of sociopath to join an instance group with no intention of actually finishing the dungeon, or making four other people wait while you eat. Wasting an entire group's time like this makes me angry - I'm starting to feel it just writing this. Is it that some people simply don't think before joining a group, or do they join on the off-chance that they'll finish before they need to leave? An apology or the character saying in advance that they didn't have long would go a long way towards smoothing things over. However, at least in my experience, this hardly ever happens. The offending character simply disappears with a message saying "AFK - dinner", then gets annoyed when the group either splits up or has kicked him by the time he comes back. If anyone here has done this (or knows someone who has), please let us know what caused this behaviour. There may be something I'm missing here, but on face value it seems like one of the most inconsiderate things someone can do in an MMO.


We had a thread about this a few weeks(months?) back, and it got ugly. There are people on both sides who feel very strongly about it.

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It used to be that I could play during peak times without being asked for this, but these days I get someone begging for this kind of help a few times a week.


I have fewer problems with this than I ever did before, personally. Then again, I rarely leave Northrend, and as a mage have avoided major cities since I dinged 60 in vanilla in order to keep away from "portal begging". I still see it on occasion, but it seems to be rarer, or at worst about the same.

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Still on the subject of instances in WoW, it really bugs me when everyone in the group assumes they'll be teleported there.


This sort of thing has been going on since Vanilla. Any time there was a warlock in the group, everyone assumed they'd just get summoned. Became a point of contention in our raids.

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Something else that bothers me is the language people can use when they don't get their own way.


This does seem to have gotten worse, but thanks to the newish "Report Spam" feature, I find dealing with it quite easy.
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# Mar 26 2009 at 10:41 PM Rating: Decent
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This does seem to have gotten worse, but thanks to the newish "Report Spam" feature, I find dealing with it quite easy.


I use this quite often to report multi-posts (obviously intentional ones), though I question whether it does anything. Originally it was put in to deal with the gold spammers that got VERY bad for a period of time in BC. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't even look at it unless they get a quota of reports for one person.
Life or someting like it.
# Mar 26 2009 at 7:51 PM Rating: Decent
I guess one of the reasons I game is to escape, if only for a while, from the rudeness, and ugliness in everyday life. I guess I don't sweat the begging and rudeness so much. WoW beggars look like everyone else. They don't stand on street corners with wasted, crippled bodies and hollow eyes. And WoW crazy's shouting threats in large []red[/] CAPS are only a click away from the oblivion of [Ignore] and are no real threat to the people around them. I wonder... if a noob is shouting obscenities at how no one will give them gold; when everyone on the server has him on ignore... Is he still anoying?

You Want the Reason?
# Mar 26 2009 at 7:12 PM Rating: Excellent
...kids.

That is why games have had an over-abundance of rudeness. And before you start off; you can be a kid and not act like one, and i applaud you for setting the example. But many of the 'brats' were raised to think they are God's gift to the world. Should I blame them? NO! I blame the parents; if Parenting required a grade these people would flunk.

To the Gold Beggers, I suppose it can't be avoid; they are after all raised to be spoiled. Just watch how they 'talk', look at their character names; you can tell a lot and guess (with pretty good accurancy) their age.

As for the insulting others who won't help you during YOUR PvP. I love it. I especially love it when I write down their names and then log onto my horde (multi-clienting is fun) and proceed to gank them repeatedly until they log. Then I track them back down (I love addons like Carbonite that show anyone of your factions' location) and gank them again the next day or two. Am I an ***? Yep. Am I happy to make a self-centered brat angry? Yep. I akin it to if these people smarted off like that in public; they'd be rushed to the hospital after someone beat the hell out of them.

As for "plz" I think it's because in America it actually is pronounced "Plea-z", with the "z" making the sound of the "z" in "Zebra". I don't have much of a problem with this because as a person who grew up using typing to chat you couldn't really carry on a decent conversation if you used 'proper' sentences. You had to abbreviate words or you'd fall behind in the conversation.

-Signed,
Jaded Person, who doesn't care about being politically correct anymore; speak your mind or shut the hell up.
Right on target, Gill
# Mar 26 2009 at 6:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Anonymity seems to be a key to 'behaving in a way that you darned well wouldnt if your parents were actually looking over your shoulder.' I don't know that people are more rude in general - seems as though they are more inclined to bypass basic courtesy because they "won't get caught" - they don't have to face you, or to deal with the consequence of being a jerk. Penny Arcade has the point on that one...

I have to agree that begging for a free ride seems to be more prevalent among younger gamers - but that seems to me to be more akin to 'kids who dont realize why you wouldnt buy them a $20 toy because they have never had $20' - most folks outgrow it. Begging for gold - seems to cross age barriers just as IRL.

Tamat, as a guild leader my members refer to my Tauren Shammy as "Mama Cow" - and you may be assured that good manners are sometimes enforced with a War Stomp. I am the sort of annoying person who thinks trade channel shoudl be used for trade, and your BS belongs in 'general.' I will report you for swearing in a public channel (aside from the ToU, that's just bad manners in a public place populated with other peoples' kids) - and even so I think you might be a little overboard on the 'plz' :) If it is ok to abbreviate every other darned word in creation why would it be more offensive to abbreviate that one than some other one? Alternate view: "I could have typed that without adding a 'pls' but I took the time to type the three extra characters in order to add extra courtesy to my already polite statement/request." Just like saying it IRL - it's the saying it that counts, IMO. Pls, just take a min to think @ it & u will c that there r lots of ways 2 interpret the abbrev, but the short version is at least those ppl r trying..... Me, I save my ire for the ones who clearly aren't even trying, in whatever limited fashion they have been taught, to be courteous. Guess that comes from a belief that courtesy is all about whether people are trying to be considerate - and in that event, it is mostly the thought that counts. Those who try get points, those who don't are the ones I need to be annoyed with. :) As I said, JMO...

But then, I am getting old. I still call my father Sir, and remember having it explained to me that I would get Constitutional Privileges (not 'rights') when I turned 18, but as long as Dad was legally liable for my every action, he would have rights and I would have chores...

Edited, Mar 26th 2009 7:52pm by TheNixie
plz listen
# Mar 26 2009 at 6:45 PM Rating: Decent
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I agree with everything apart from the "plz" issue. Saying "plz" could mean someone is lazy, or even if you want to be really mean and probably wrong, that they are stupid, but it doesn't mean they are a bad person. Begging, ninja-ing, spamming trade, not going to the meeting stone and going afk in raids and dungeons- yes, these things are bad, but how someone speaks doesn't make them bad or good.
Sometimes it be that way
# Mar 26 2009 at 5:38 PM Rating: Decent
I have one golden rule which developed from before summoning stones even existed in the game. No one gets summoned - it may sound harsh; However I used to play a Warlock on a PVP realm and as you can imagine I was a prime ganking target. Even now with summoning stones and a rerole to druid on a PVE realm, I refuse out right to summon weather a PUG or a guild raid (If a guild member has been sent on a mission outside the raid instance I will summon).

It's this simple - If you can't be bothered to jump on the flight and get inside the instance I dont want to waste my time raiding with you.

Thankfully the guild I have helped to build understands my reasoning for this and they always make an effort to be on time and inside at the designated raid start time.

I have recently noticed a new annoying issue.
I got a wisper from a player asking about when we raid and joining our guild. I composed my reply and double checked that I did not mess up the conversion into realm time. I replied in about 2 minutes. I was then informed by a fellow officer that the person who had wispered me had jumped into the trade channel and started flaming my guild. Apparently the player was very disgruntled that he wispered me once and did not manage to see my eliquent reply scroll up his screen. Suffice to say after using one of my chat add ons I displayed not only his question but my answer with time stamps in the trade channel in an effort to clear my guilds name. Thankfully the realm population (that watch the trade channel) identified that it is extremly out of place to wisper once and then jump into trade and start complaining.

Alas a small majority of the WoW community are under the delusion that the World of Warcraft revolves around them.



Edited, Mar 26th 2009 9:49pm by GerrAnachronos
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# Mar 26 2009 at 5:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I just wanted to add that I have played on all types of realms in the game and I have noticed that in most cases, people on RP servers are much more polite and mature then those of the normal, and especially more then the PvP servers. If you are the type that do not want to tolerate ignorance from others, I highly suggest you level up on a RP realm and I hope it'll remind you of the closer community that we've known from EQ & FFXI players.
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# Mar 26 2009 at 8:48 PM Rating: Good
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Zornov wrote:
I just wanted to add that I have played on all types of realms in the game and I have noticed that in most cases, people on RP servers are much more polite and mature then those of the normal, and especially more then the PvP servers. If you are the type that do not want to tolerate ignorance from others, I highly suggest you level up on a RP realm and I hope it'll remind you of the closer community that we've known from EQ & FFXI players.


I'll second this. I've played on all servers PVP, RP, and PVE (I've been pretty much playing since launch date in the USA) and RP servers have been the politest by far. But on the regular PVE and PVP servers, wow, have I seen some asshattery. I have had friends I play with transfer from thier PVP and PVE servers to my RP server because they like the atmosphere better.

Also, it depends on the time you play. I've found playing in the morning hours and late at night, avoiding the prime hours of 2pm-9pm that you'll avoid alot of the immature kids that plague the servers.

I put a large portion of the blame on parents when it comes to lack of courtesy, even in just a video game. Because 1. who the hell let you think acting like an *** was ok, anywhere? and 2. Why, OMG, why are children under the age of 18 even playing this game unsupervised in the first place? Maybe I'm seeing it from a different generational standpoint (I'm a gamer in her 30s), but if I had told my parents I wanted internet access and $15 a month to play an online video game, they either have said no (especially if a credit card was involved) or straight out monitored my entire time online if they said yes. It astounds me the number of parents that just let their kids have free access to these kinds of games (and the cash to play them).
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# Mar 26 2009 at 5:12 PM Rating: Decent
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The only advice I could give is try to play later at night. You get your load of teenager but at least most of the 12 years old and younger have gone to bed. It's more peaceful after 10pm server time.

as a good friend once said...
# Mar 26 2009 at 3:33 PM Rating: Good
"if you say 'plz' because its shorter than 'please', I will say 'no' because its shorter than 'yes'."

Wise words.

*nods sagely*
as a good friend once said...
# Mar 30 2009 at 9:13 AM Rating: Decent
I agree with most of the original post....but have to take issue with the PLZ comments.

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"if you say 'plz' because its shorter than 'please', I will say 'no' because its shorter than 'yes'."

Wise words.

*nods sagely*


"WISE WORDS"...I think not...the NO response is JUST RUDE. Saying "NO" rather than "YES" because it is shorter IS NOT remotely the same as saying PLZ. And you complain about others....AT LEAST THEY are saying please....there are those that do not. We are sometimes caught up in something and are asking a question. These two letters can make all the difference in getting off the right spell at the right time and dying.

To those with bionic fingers and razor sharp minds....I salute you. To those who must sometimes abbreviate....I salute you as well.

For those that have a problem with PLZ....take a look through your posts and notice how many times you say PvP rather than Player versus Player....or RP for Roleplaying....or AH for Auction House....I mean, are you lazy for not typing those out? I bet you are not lazy. These are just widely accepted abbreviations ...like LOL and THX.
as a good friend once said...
# Mar 26 2009 at 7:10 PM Rating: Good
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cajunspinesplitter wrote:
"if you say 'plz' because its shorter than 'please', I will say 'no' because its shorter than 'yes'."

Wise words.

*nods sagely*


This is epic. And I think may add it to my signature.


As I often see "It's just a game!" and my response is "I am no game!"

When you type to me. There is nothing about a game. I'm a human being. If you walk up to me on the street and slur your speech and skip every other word I'm going to give a nice smile, not make eye contact, and then quickly head to the nearest police officer.

Its a matter of respect. If you can't bother to communicate with me properly why should I take you seriously? Why should I even bother listening to you? If you can't take a few seconds to type the H in "what" or "yes" instead of "yeh" or "please" instead of plz. Why the heck should I spend the rest of my evening healing your sorry butt in a raid or heroics?

Indeed
# Mar 26 2009 at 1:36 PM Rating: Decent
I wish you could report this kind of behavior the same way you can report spamming
great article
# Mar 26 2009 at 1:20 PM Rating: Decent
This is definately an article I think everyone can relate to, we've all hit the breaking point with another player at some point. I agree with all of your points, especially the ever annoying "plz". However, I think it is fair to consider that World of Warcraft is a game with players of many different ages. Although being begged constantly can be annoying, you should consider that the person behind that beggar may not be old enough to realize they shouldn't beg. Courtesy comes with maturity, although not necessarily, but I think you know what I mean.
I'm not saying age is the case with every player, just saying that it is a possibility.
great article
# Mar 26 2009 at 4:40 PM Rating: Decent
I've come to WOW from Everquest (i'm now into my 3rd WOW year) and the first thing that struck me about WOW is how young and ill mannered a lot of the population is. I love WOW the game but it is often very difficult to find a group where someone doesn't display the aforementioned traits. Also I believe the 'hidden behind the computer' drives behaviour in the same way that sitting in a car does - people who would quite gladly hold the door open for you if you were walking into a building wouldn't allow you an inch on the road whilst driving and explode if they feel they have been in anyway infringed when behind the wheel. There is a similar feeling in PUGs, if anything goes wrong and theres a wipe, people either tear into each other or quit on the spot (and often it's the people who have caused the wipe who do most of the moaning and quitting).

Begging seems to be the domain of the very young, as does the terrible language used during PVP when things are going wrong. You can almost predict the child like behaviour right at the start of PVP - The overconfidence of youth 'we pwn them', followed by the explosion of language or 'lets just quit and let them win' when things don't to go to plan.

Now I'm sure that there are large numbers of younger players who play the game as it should be played but there are even more of the 'Dirge' crowd who betray their age both in their actions as individuals and through their lack of respect for others.

However, I understand that this is a game for 12+ so I should really make allowances for the behaviour but I'm old and grumpy so I wont :)
great article
# Mar 27 2009 at 6:44 AM Rating: Decent
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There's the one that gets me... pwn. What exactly does that mean?? Worst of all, the kids are starting to use it in everyday speech patterns.

The guild I am a member of has only one guild rule. No players under the age of 21 are welcome. The exception to that being the children of current guild members, because we can apply corrective pressure through the parents directly if we don't like someone's manners. None of us has the patience to deal with rudeness in guild chat as well as in general chat (personally, I've had Trade channel turned off for over a year, and on the rare occasion I've turned it on, it hasn't been for long).

And Etchelm - grouping can be half the fun, and takes a whole different type of strategy then soloing :) It can be fun, but frustrating if you don't have a group of supportive players. There are alot of "adult" guilds, for the same reasons I mentioned above, and we tend to be more patient of mistakes then the younger players. Of course, this isn't 100% true, there are exceptions... but then again, I have as little patience with them as they seem to have for others :)
great article
# Mar 26 2009 at 4:59 PM Rating: Good
I agree with 100% of what you said. I am an older guy at 39 and I was raised in the midwest so I had better manners at the age of 3 than some of the people that play WOW.

I think the only reason these people do make it to level cap is because in this game you can make it there solo without a lot of skill.

Before I played WOW I was an EQ guy and in that game if you were a total jerk it would get hard to get in groups so you would never make level cap.

Having said that I do like the way it is easy to solo to 80 so the only solution I have found is have a guild made up of respectful people and only really play with them.
I agree, but disagree
# Mar 27 2009 at 8:07 AM Rating: Decent
While most things mentioned in the article and previous threads are correct, I have to disagree with some of them. Or play Devil's Advocate, whatever you'd like to call it.

This is my first server in WOW and truly my, 2nd?, month of playing the game. I'm a med student, 25, and I play the game with my fiancé because she's not terribly good at most games I play so we figured this would be a great one to do! While we've enjoyed the experience so far, there have definitely been instances of idiocy (is that even a word?). From random characters jumping up and down running in circles around us while we're trying to do something (trade, buy stuff at vendors, camp out a site, you name it) to the ridiculous abuse that goes on in trade channels. Oh, btw, we play on an RP server (thinking the population would be lower and we've been right to a certain degree). People don't RP all that much on this server (heck, I don't remember the name at this point, sorry) and people sure do go around trying to sell goal-an amazing deal, $20 for 5000 fake gold! WOW! > < . They also rant and scream about guilds, people, anything that irks them...But to go so far as RP servers are more polite than other ones? I don't believe it. If they are more polite here, then I can't believe Blizzard would continue to support a game where the people are ALL asses. I don't even want to know what people behave like in other realms.

As for the kids thing..I don't know if you call me a kid still or not, but I disagree that it's all kids. You'd be surprised at how many adults could make THEIR children look saintly due to their behavior. When it comes to the internet, it's all about anonymity (sp? Sorry, for being a med student, I have horrid spelling, but i suppose I get away with it by having bad handwriting!!! :P ). Look on ANY forum, WOW related and not, you'll see people of all ages acting the regular horses' ***. I see these a lot on some photography forums that I frequent and I'm often surprised by how viscous people can get.

As far as I remember, this happened way back when I used to play EQ too-although that was roughly 10 or so years ago. I briefly played FF11 when I was delusional and thought I could balance it with College (how I'm doing WOW and med school at the same time is beyond me but it's working so far!) but I found people to be more polite in that game overall.

But as far as abbreviating and slang...that's the day and age that we live in sadly. I just read an article yesterday that children in Britain are going to be taught about Facebook and Twitter. What happened to other things, like, I don't know, READING and LANGUAGE skills?! But my point is, it's a gradual change that happens with every generation. Like I said, I'm 25 and I can't keep up with my 14 yo cousins and their obsessions that seem as fickle as a candle. I don't like it, but they can be useful sometimes (guess how long it took me to figure out what IMO means?!)

Since I play with my fiancé only, I can't really comment on raids and instances in a group. We did join guild and they're really nice, but it's not a raiding guild or anything like that, just a group of people that can count on each other in a pinch.

I didn't know that the Trade Channel is in every city or that you could turn the damn channel off-something I'm doing immediately when I play again- so people are always learning. But like Etcelm above me, I take it slow with WOW because there are a lot of things I don't know about.

I too like being able to help people when I can, I'm only a level 33 druid, but I'm a firm believer in Karma. For instance, I was skinning some stuff and trying to throw up auctions to save for my mount when I just got bored and offered a run through Shadow Fang Keep- 2 hunters accepted. At the end of the run through, one gave me the money for my mount! I didn't ask for it, we were just chit chatting (it is a long walk after all to get there from Ashenvale ><) and he gave it to me. So there ARE people who are kind out there, they just tend to get overshadowed by the idiots.

This seems as good as place as any, but if you're worried about the state of our world and how abundant stupid people are, watch the movie Idiocracy. It's a terrible movie, but scary as hell because I can see those changes happening.

Anyways, thanks for taking a look at what I had to say and THANKS for the tip about the trade channel stuff!
Easy solo to 80
# Mar 26 2009 at 11:04 PM Rating: Good
I'm a retiree and, since this is my first venture into the MMO world, I've stayed clear of grouping as I don't know enough to feel comfortable yet. Since I don't have the time constraints that most players have, I'm in no hurry to level up, though I'm at level 76 now-all solo.

I was at the Scarlet Monastery, just doing what I do; roaming around trying to learn about the place, when a player pleaded with me to assist them in the instance. Since I was high leveled enough to solo it already, I said "sure". It didn't take very long for this player to learn that I didn't have the key needed to enter, and he proceeded to curse the day I was born. I was mortified; How could I have said yes to them when I didn't know what I was doing, but after a while the time thing came to mind, and it drilled home for me that most people only have certain windows of opportunity for playing. So, I forgave him, in absentia, and forgave myself because they were still jerks for getting so upset, when they could have asked before we entered, as well. :)

Anyway, since I have all the time I need, I like to help people when I can. I'm a potion addict, and I offer people potions and things I've picked up, which seems to amaze them, as they almost always say that they've never had someone offer things for free. Meh.
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