Season 5 to Start with Item Purchase Changes :: ZAM

Season 5 to Start with Item Purchase ChangesDec 15th, 2008 at 10:59 AM by Togikagi

UPDATE 12/18: Blizzard poster Bornakk has edited his post regarding this information. The information can be found here. The Tier 1 blue set now reads: "Can be purchased multiple ways though Honor and Arena points, high amount of just Honor points, or Emblems of Heroism." The Tier 2 set reads: " Can be purchased multiple ways through Arena points or Emblems of Valor."

According to a post by Blizzard's Vaneck on the World of Warcraft European PvP forum, Arena Season 5 launches on Wednesday, Dec. 17 with some changes regarding how Arena or Honor items can be purchased.

Here's the start of the post, which begins with the blue Tier 1 set.

Tier 1 - Superior (blue) quality items:
• No rating requirements
• Costs Honor and Arena points
• Equivalent to heroic dungeon items

Keep reading after the jump for the rest of the post, which contains Tier 2 and 3 set items and two tiers of Honor items that include the neck, ring, boots, belt, bracer, and trinket.

With Arena Season 5 launching on December 17, we wanted to provide some helpful information. The method in which Arena or Honor items can be purchased will be slightly different then how it was before. For Arena items, there will be 3 tiers of purchasable set items that includes pieces for the Head, Shoulders, Chest, Gloves, and Legs as follows:

Tier 1 - Superior (blue) quality items:
• No rating requirements
• Costs Honor and Arena points
• Equivalent to heroic dungeon items

Tier 2- Epic (purple) quality items:
• Medium rating requirements
• Costs Arena points
• Equivalent to 10-person raid items

Tier 3 - Epic (purple) quality items:
• High rating requirements
• Costs Arena points
• Equivalent to 25-person raid items
• This tier will also contain Arena weapons

In addition, there will be two tiers of Honor items that includes pieces for the neck, ring, boots, belt, bracer, and trinket as follows:

Tier 1 – Epic (purple) quality items:
• Medium rating requirements
• Costs Honor points
• Equivalent to 10-person raid items

Tier 2 – Epic (purple) quality items:
• High rating requirements
• Costs Honor points

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# Dec 17 2008 at 12:31 AM Rating: Default

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In all the years I have played wow and dipped into pvp bgaction I havew only met ignorant or lazy players. Talk about the sheep man. Im sick of hearing rush north ect or wtf you doing defend ect. How anyone can find spending weeks on end bashing other players in a tiny bg fun is beyond me. The only fun I can see is for the retarded twinks who enjoy ganking players. The best pvp is when you meet someone in pve and you both lock horns for a good fight. In the hope that some retardedadin dont come and bubbel and blow you up. Lets close down bg and get back to world pvp where it is real fun. That would mean brining players dps down again so they dont kill you in 2 seconds even if your in top rated gear.

pvp

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I actually agree to the main point of this one...I want good world PvP back. I loved the old Crossroads and Goldshire raids that happened a few times daily, even on PvE servers you had 40+ people on both sides sometimes.

not a solo game

# Dec 16 2008 at 7:21 PM Rating: Decent

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well after logging in this morning to check out what new and great gear i could aim towards getting, i have to say was a little disapointed
to find that my crafted swift arrow gear for level 78 was pretty much the same or better than the the new pvp gear for level 80.

from what it seems now epic gear is only for non solo players,
as a solo player myself i can say the new quests were good, kept me busy for a week or two, but i can not find any real
reason to continue playing as i feel i have reached the highest point i can and obtained the best gear a solo player can.

yes i know people will say its not hard to find groups for arena or raid etc etc, but the fact is i enjoyed bg because i didnt have to
wait around for other people, i could play a few bg's after work for an hour instead of watching adverts on tv
and it didnt require me to play a solid 3 hour stint or make prior arrangements with other people that i may or may not be able
to actually attend myself.

would be nice if there was a 1v1 arena for other people like myself (i assume i am not the only solo player)
or if there was even some more patterns for trades (the giantmaim bracers and leggs are nice but where is the rest of the set?)
would be nice to get rewards from the gold vortex that is a trade .

i say lets try it first

# Dec 16 2008 at 11:08 AM Rating: Decent

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I understand all points of view, but im willing to try it, cause i always ignored arena since i could get pvp gear from BG's, now i say is a way to try Arena, and since theres good gear coming from reputation vendors and instances especially raid dungeons and heroics, u can gear yourself pretty well without arena, and for pvp gear well ull have to get good at it to get it, so it makes sense to get rewarded for something your good at it.

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# Dec 16 2008 at 1:10 PM Rating: Decent

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I understand all points of view, but im willing to try it, cause i always ignored arena since i could get pvp gear from BG's, now i say is a way to try Arena,

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And for all the qqs about this set up, as a shammy if i don't have a problem with doing some arenas and bg's to get some gear, I don't see why anyone else would at all.

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Just get 1 partner and do 10 games of 2s every SEVEN days. My God, it will take an hour of your time. Since there's very little resilience running around at the moment, it will likely take less than an hour to knock out all 10 of your matches

The problem is, Arena is busted. Almost without exception, the highest rated teams are comprised of the same 1 or 2 combos, now they are forcing everybody who wants to pvp to do arena. Without fixing the problems. Bizzards way of "fixing" the fact that a lot of people think arena is busted is to force everyone to do it, lol.

Then you got the PVP'ers who say "just grab a partner and lose 10 games real fast" how is that any different than AFKing in a BG? yet you complain that we do that. My experience with BG's especially AV is, the ones in all welfare (previous seasons where all you had to do to get was BG) weren't the ones AFK'ing, because they like to BG PVP, that's why they had welfare gear. It was the full S2, S3 S4 (respectively season wise) that were AFKing in AV to honor for the off pieces. So many of them feel they are above BG and they just sit there. Granted I am generalizing and it may be different on different servers and times of play. BTW, honor is still required for the off pieces, so I think everyone that is saying no more problems in BG's because of the "new" system are speaking a bit premature

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People are generally starting on the same page again, with next to no Resillience. This is the way it should be done, the initial reaction is going to wear away eventually

Excpet for the fact that pve'ers have been getting some of the higher set gear a month ahead of the pure pvp'ers. That's not starting on the same page, nor does it make sense to begin with, giving pve'ers better pvp gear, than pvp'ers.

*The 4 quotes are from 4 different posters, just replied to the wrong post instead of at the bottom of the thread

Edited, Dec 16th 2008 4:26pm by certainly

i say lets try it first

# Dec 16 2008 at 6:18 PM Rating: Decent

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So you'd rather people that horded honor start with a full set of epics and completely wipe the floor with people who haven't?

At least under this method, everyone starts under relatively the same Resilience level.

i say lets try it first

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So you'd rather people that horded honor start with a full set of epics and completely wipe the floor with people who haven't?

At least under this method, everyone starts under relatively the same Resilience level.

I would like to ask, have you seen the honor prices? So the honor horders can get what 2 pieces, maybe 3? that's hardly a full set as the "equilizers" like to state. As it stands now, it's gonna be pve'ers wiping the floor with pvp'ers. At any rate the bigger issues are that pve'ers had a months head start (wrong on 2 counts IMO) and that they are forcing everyone to do arena if they want anything higher than crap blues, and with arena busted, thats throwing crap on top of the baby before you throw it out with the bathwater. So if they had the old system in place, busted as it was, the 75k honor that horders have would have been paltry compared to the current implementation.

i say lets try it first

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certainly wrote:

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So you'd rather people that horded honor start with a full set of epics and completely wipe the floor with people who haven't?

At least under this method, everyone starts under relatively the same Resilience level.

I would like to ask, have you seen the honor prices? So the honor horders can get what 2 pieces, maybe 3? that's hardly a full set as the "equilizers" like to state. As it stands now, it's gonna be pve'ers wiping the floor with pvp'ers. At any rate the bigger issues are that pve'ers had a months head start (wrong on 2 counts IMO) and that they are forcing everyone to do arena if they want anything higher than crap blues, and with arena busted, thats throwing crap on top of the baby before you throw it out with the bathwater. So if they had the old system in place, busted as it was, the 75k honor that horders have would have been paltry compared to the current implementation.

This is EXACTLY the way it was at the start of S1 last year. If you look back, the majority of early footage from S1 was people in quested blues with some raided epics.

There are a lot of combinations that win. There are easy mode combinations, medium-difficulty, difficult, and just downright facesplitting. There were a TON of different 5s setups that regularly broke 2k last year. Same went for 3s. 2s is the least balanced portion of Arena, don't use that as a basis. I can't even recall how many 5s portions I've seen break 2k last year, one class won't make 5s an instant-win situation.

I know at least 5 Enhancement Shamans that broke 2k last during Season 3 last year. Enhancement was thought impossible to do decent, but with enough work, you could do almost anything. Hell, 2 of those 5 broke 2k in 2 brackets simultaneously. Those 2 of 5 broke 2k in 2s, one broke 2k in 5s, and the other broke 2k in 3s.

i say lets try it first

# Dec 17 2008 at 1:25 AM Rating: Decent

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Meh, people can go back and forth all day. We can scour sites that keep track of arena teams and ratings, and give examples. IMO they are EXCEPTIONS to the rule. That rule being arena is broken, and as I stated previously with little exception, they are all the same 1 or 2 cookie cutter combos. I'm using 3v3 as the example, 2v2 is broken even worse, and a poor player can be carried by 4 good players in 5v5, and that's not even talking about team trading and the other shenanigans that went on.

PS I double checked the honor required for the blue gear and the epic offsets, the cost is such that a pre wotlk toon that horded points could get only 1 piece of gear, so that pretty much nulify's that part of people's arguments IMO.

i say lets try it first

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4 good players cannot carry 1 poor player past the 1800s in 5s. I've done 5s at high ratings before, and all 5 of the team members have to be able to pull off strategies without a hitch.

And of course 2s and 3s are imbalanced, Bliz knows that, but it's EXTREMELY difficult to balance 2s, 3s, and 5s ALONG with PvE. 5v5 is what serves to be the most balanced brackets.

Also, there was more than 1-2 cookie-cutter combo per bracket. I recall seeing at least 5 different 2s setups regularly break 2k. Same goes for 3s. And with 5s, there are TONS of different combinations.

I'm starting to think you've never really given Arena a chance and are just talking out of your ***. I did Arena ever since S1, I've been above 1800 twice. Once in S1, and once in S2. In S1, I was in 2s with a Warrior, in S2, I was in 5s with a Paladin, Priest, Rogue, and Warrior.

arena and bg's = win for true pvp

# Dec 16 2008 at 10:53 AM Rating: Default

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Even though i play a sham as my main, this is a great idea. I suffered alot in arenas with my shammy, never getting a good rating but could still hang in there to get some of the armor with the 10 game runs. Bg's are great, but to farm them to a full set of pvp requires no skill what so ever. What i like about arenas is that you must learn to play your class to utmost. Even though i lost alot of arenas, those wins on those games are truely amazing when you work as a team with your team, you can't get that feeling from bg's.

And for all the qqs about this set up, as a shammy if i don't have a problem with doing some arenas and bg's to get some gear, I don't see why anyone else would at all. Shammys suffer alot more then almost any other class in arenas. This is a good change to thin out the bgs, to the lazy peps who just que to get 1 mark regardless if they win or lose, this a win win situation that blizz did here, good for them. I think bg's will be better , because you won't have all these morons who could care less if you win, just to get there marks to buy there gear.

It's fine.

# Dec 16 2008 at 10:20 AM Rating: Decent

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Doing PvP will reward you with the best PvP gear available. Doing better at it gives you rewards that not just anyone can get. You will not do well in PvE with this gear.

Doing PvE will reward you with the best PvE gear available. Doing better at it gives you rewards that not just anyone can get. You will not do well in PvP with this gear.

Each category is uniquely rewarded for their efforts and skill.

WTF is the problem?

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# Dec 17 2008 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent

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Forgive me if this is too simple of an illustration, but this is why I have a problem with it. And this speaks to Blizz's position on PvP in general.

I do mostly PvE. The times I like to do PvP are when a town or major city get attacked by [opposite faction] and I want to tangle with the offenders. My experience, pre-wrath, was that my PvE gear enabled me to get stomped just a little slower than if I were naked. Now, I haven't researched or read as much about the PvE gear in Wrath yet, and I understand some folks are saying the PvE gear does close the gap to well-geared PvPers, but still. Why should we need our PvP-twinked 80s to defend Stormwind or Orgrimmar when there are PvE-geared 80s?

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this gap is what frustrates me about Blizz's position regarding PvE and PvP.

It's fine.

# Dec 16 2008 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent

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You're actually incorrect about something within your post. While you are right about the PVP gear not sustaining as well in PVE, PVE gear will most definitely sustain well in PVP. Based on several different calculators, the PVE gear gotten from high end raids will perform better than Deadly Gladiator gear.

Whether this was intended or not, it sets the stage for a new arena season. Previous arena gear was some of the best gear you could get for PVE. With the new expansion, PVE has been turned up a notch. Now it's the turn of all the high-end raiders to get the upper hand in Arena, which has not been the case in previous seasons.

Take a look at http://www.shadowpanther.net if you don't think this is accurate. As you can see, for a rogue, the deadly gladiator gear rarely sees the top of the list for pvp gear.

Personally, I think this is a good move. Blizzard is moving towards getting everyone to participate in end-game raids. They said they were wanting to have people experience and appreciate the amount of time and detail they put into the WOTLK expansion, and this just furthers that point.

It's fine.

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Repeat post

Edited, Dec 16th 2008 3:04pm by combatftw

So much for battlegrounds

# Dec 16 2008 at 8:32 AM Rating: Decent

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I couldn't care less about PvP as far as arena goes honestly. Most of the arena crowd that I have experienced personally is elitist and tends to turn people fairly nasty. Competition tends to do that to people after a while. Hence why I normally go into Battlegrounds to get my PvP fix. But if the changes go through, what happens to Battlegrounds? I have no wish at all to go into Arena just to get a set of PvP gear, and they have it listed that all honor gear now requires Arena ranking.

I love the PvE aspect of WoW, I love most of the changes to classes that they did with WotLK, and I tolerate the various "nerfs" that seem to swing around. Up until now I've managed to cope and adapt to everything they've done and never really came out to far behind because of it. However, if they remove the ability to gain ANY PvP gear from Battlegrounds, that will officialy kill the PvP game for me.

Granted, I normally play this game solely for the PvE aspect. On the other hand being able to take a break and spend a few hours bashing (and getting bashed on) people in a battleground was a great way to take a break. Heck, I even got a blue or two out of it after a few weeks. But now...I dunno. Back to fishing when I'm bored I guess.

So much for battlegrounds

# Dec 16 2008 at 9:27 AM Rating: Default

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And wow a PvE person talking about being Elitest. Dude wake up you sound like jackass. If your group doesnt run evrything perfectly your tank will be like, i'm not running this instnce and just leave the group half way thru. thats 1 of the reasons why i PvP. Just cause its competitve doesnt mean their elitest. It's you PvE people who are the Jerks, kk your good at it, reallyu good, dont be a **** about it.

So much for battlegrounds

# Dec 16 2008 at 9:24 AM Rating: Default

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Hold on a minuete here. You know it's all the complaining from you PvE people that are going to ruin what PvP is today. You guys already have a huge advantage going into this season, which i blame Blizz for. Epic PvP pants dropping in instances? On top of all the other gear you guys have stacked like 4/5 heroes and epic trinkets, rings, neck pieces. People who just PvP dont have a chance untill atleast a month after the season starts. I'm sorry i can't raid because i have to work 60-70 hours aweek and have other things like my wife well really GF but... And thats fine but i thought blizz did these things like PvP for people who were casual players. Maybe its a little easy to get PvP gear but u still have to be good to get the best set. if ur not pulling an 1800 on average week your prolly not going to get the whole set and weapons. You complain about not being able to casually PvP because of all the unfair gear well now its the other way around. You raiders are now way more equipeed then us so go in their and get ur high scores now. You know

/sigh

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i hate how blizzard handles pvp gear. Ill admit they did make them a little harder to get, but seriously, even if you suck *** in arena, youll have a full set in a month and a half with no work other then bg'ing for 2-3 days and 60 arena matches

pvp gear needs to be lvl 80 equivalent, not heroic, this is why there are so many scrubs that have no clue what their doing in pve but argue for their spot in the group

/sigh

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Ok, let's see what I can reply too...

Retardedin: In most raids, I AM the tank. I have no idea what your talking about dropping out of raids if people play poorly. The tanks that drop out because people aren't perfect are the same kind of people in Arena who don't want you on a team unless you have cookie-cutter builds and 100% perfect gear. Same people, different playstyles.

Also, I did not and never did complain about the PvP system have unfair tiers or getting gear this way or that until today. I had exactly one complaint that was ever voiced and that had to do with gear matching in Battlegrounds allowing undergeared groups to fight twinked groups and ruining the fun for people who lack hundreds of gold. I never bashed on PvP at any other time, assuming "people like me" are the ones that did it makes you look bad, not me. I do not complain just because O-Boarders think various topics are the hot flame of the week.

Also, I do NOT hardcore raid. I go in once a week, twice if I'm lucky, I have a life too you know. Saying you work 60-70 hours and have a girlfriend doesn't validate your opinion any higher than mine. I also have a girlfriend (maybe fiance come this Christmas) and have a job, but I'm not here toting it around like it's a badge. I never complained that ANYTHING was unfair outside the previously mentioned twink/non-twink issue. All I said was that I want to be able to go into a Battleground and get benefit from it. Right now, there is none. That is all.

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OMGEverythingIsTaken: Being harder to get is not an issue. The issue is, if I do not want to arena, I should not have to. However, in order to get ANY PvP gear now, I would have to Arena. What exactly happens to the people who just want to run Battlegrounds without having to put up with the extreme competition in Arena? Some people like to PvP without having to worry about learning every single little nuance of a character. I could if I wanted to, but I do not, hence why I do not compete in the "professional (Arena)" PvP game, I play in the "casual (Battleground)" PvP game. Except now there is no benefit to playing in the Battlegrounds.

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I have no idea where people seem to get off throwing around insults, putting words into peoples mouths, or assuming their opinion matches the general populations. I stated a few simple opinions and got flamed? What is this the O-Boards? I said nothing that implied what I stated was fact. I said quite explicitely that it was based on my own experiences.

So let's make this even simpler then:

1: Battlegrounds will now have no benefit outside of honor
2: Honor for gear will be useless without Arena points
3: Some people (me included) dislike the Arena
4: The PvP game is dead for me since I will not Arena

There, short simple and to the point.

Edited, Dec 16th 2008 2:03pm by codexia

Quit, Stay, Start - Or Divine?

# Dec 16 2008 at 6:43 AM Rating: Good

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Yes - Divine; that is divine (discern / consider) what is really going on. Look I am not trying to flame or bust anyone up here. The people dismayed to the point of quitting have valid points - as do those happy that there have been changes and welcome the percieved leveling of the field. However, I am not so naive as to believe that "Bliz" (note the tender little pet name we give our pusher) does ANYTHING without having motives connected to their bottom line.

Now before the acolytes and worshipers start bashing me - I do not blame Blizzard - they are a business first and foremost. It might do the "Big Three" well to see how Blizzard does business. I am not concerned that they made a profit - Good for them! I am not concerned that they expanded into more markets this past year - Good for them. What I am concerned with is that people think that they nerf items / classes or that they change drop rates and resource levels at a whim. I can assure you that they do not. They are working to manage an ecosystem. This ecosystem cannot be allowed to spin out of control (like it has in Everquest) to allow those that started the game in the beginning to posses mega-riches and be able to keep new players from progressing or in some cases even getting a start.

They do these things not because they care for the new guy, the little fellow or the casual player - they do these things so that those folks keep shelling out a monthly fee. simple economics, statistics and averages based upon preceeding MMORPGs. Frankly I am more jazzed by their management of their "Economic Ecosystem" and the control of the social castes than any of the graphics or the items. I started EQ as a final project in a Sociology Degree and found WoW. After all of this time I am yet impressed by the way that this game can control and determine not only the progression of the "t00ns", but also those that believe they manipulate them.

Be careful what you say, Blizz is watching you.

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I like some battlegrounds but I hate arena. In particular I love strand of the ancients and wintergrasp. I thought that the time I've spend getting honour and tokens from both might actually be worth something. I guess not. If we can't get anything without arena points then what is the point in getting bg tokens? Guess I won't bother with them any more.
I guess it will effectively be impossible to get any pvp gear quickly now. No spending a weekend PVPing to get that new piece you want. With arena it doesn't matter how many times you do it you'll only get a week's worth of points and it will take you weeks to get a single item.

Edited, Dec 16th 2008 11:26am by soneil

A Welcome Change To A Non-Hardcore Player

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Off to a better start than Season 1.

The tiers are a great design choice.

I'm happy it is done this way. Granted, I'm a DPS Sham, so I might never see high ratings, but I'm glad that there aren't "welfare epics" available out of the gate. People are generally starting on the same page again, with next to no Resillience. This is the way it should be done, the initial reaction is going to wear away eventually.

Let's not all forget that this is the way it was at the start of TBC, except you had honor items to purchase that yielded still negligible bonuses. Quite frankly, I believe a lot of you Casual PvPers complaining right now were spoiled by the last few TBC patches.

A Welcome Change To A Non-Hardcore Player

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I motion to agree with you.

Im a big pver. But, this might actually bring back skill to pvp. Im pretty sure a few people will agree with me but, remember when some people had to bust their asses in arenas for s1-4? Then blizzard said "hey! let's totally f up the system and let anyone buy it!" Annoying, eh? With this new system, instead of everyone just rolling their faces on their keyboards, they actually have to pay attention. Everyone cries about nerfs, cries about buffs but.. Everyone can play their classes awesomely if they figure out the ways around the nerfs, THIS will bring skill back for sure.

Another thing real quick.. Blizzard made sooooooo many things easy mode in wrath, I think WoW needed this change.

Sorry if that barely made any sense, tired as hell and people complaining about crap that will not be changed and reading people saying they are gonna quit but eventually come back.. Is pretty annoying.

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And from what else I saw.. Wintersgrasp=NOT HARD AND EASY HONOR. And farming badges and honor (esp in strand)Not much but you still get some. Gaining honor now is a damn joke. People seriously.. make a 2s, lose 10games=Arena points.

Edited, Dec 16th 2008 2:38am by Sciris

Also thinking of quitting

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I am a hunter, with no chance in Arena and the nerf we are getting I am right there with ya.

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# Dec 15 2008 at 4:57 PM Rating: Decent

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Yes this is bullcrap! I hate arena and want nothing to do with it. I don't want to have to depend on 1 to 4 other people to get 10 games in per week. I enjoy BG's because you can come and go as you please.

I have worked hard in Wintergrasp and other BG's to max out my honor as well as farm a handful of marks from each BG. I even put up with WSG which I hate with a passion to get myself at least over 20 marks.

Yea im done ******** with Wintergrasp and Im done doing anything PVP now. I am actually tempted to quit the game.

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Yes this is bullcrap! I hate arena and want nothing to do with it. I don't want to have to depe since matches are going to last less than and on 1 to 4 other people to get 10 games in per week. I enjoy BG's because you can come and go as you please.

Just get 1 partner and do 10 games of 2s every SEVEN days. My God, it will take an hour of your time. Since there's very little resilience running around at the moment, it will likely take less than an hour to knock out all 10 of your matches.

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I have worked hard in Wintergrasp and other BG's to max out my honor as well as farm a handful of marks from each BG. I even put up with WSG which I hate with a passion to get myself at least over 20 marks.

Working hard to get honor is an oxymoron in WotLK. Honor comes quickly and in large, absurd bundles in the new expansion. One can cap honor very, very quickly now. It doesn't take much and nowhere near what it used to take. I capped honor pre-WotLK... you want to talk about a time-sink.

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Yea im done ******** with Wintergrasp and Im done doing anything PVP now. I am actually tempted to quit the game.

I don't think you realize how player friendly WoW is... Go try playing a time-sink like FFXI and you will be thankful that it is so easy to obtain gear, gold, honor or any type of currency in WoW.

As far as the changes in PvP gear, my only problem is that we can do PvE now to get PvP gear. That's just asinine.

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I am thinking of quitting myself. I leveled to 80 without a single upgrade to my gear through quest rewards. I am a hunter getting nerfed. Also nobody wants a hunter in their arena team. I think I am right behind ya.

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# Dec 15 2008 at 2:44 PM Rating: Decent

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Does that REALLY mean that someone who avoids arena like the plague will never get his hands on PVP items through the honor system?

Great, what am I gonan do with my honor now? I do WG frequently, for shards and farming purposes, so there's quite a bit honor coming my way.

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# Dec 16 2008 at 5:12 PM Rating: Decent

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Quick update,

I read the whole post and went to the Champion's to check out if what I'm reading is true. Looks like there's alot of lvl 80 purple items available with only honor points. For a warrior, they all start with Hateful Gladiator's of something. The stats looks greats. Go see for yourself. The requirement are between 38000 and 49600 honor points.

The 5 pieces lvl 80 blue set looks even more impressive needs between 50000 and 60000 honor points. It start with savage glad.... etc.

There's one thing. I haven't found any lvl 80 weapons available (blue or purple). Is there somewhere else we need to go for that?

Gtap

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# Dec 15 2008 at 4:39 PM Rating: Decent

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BOOM - with this one change Blizzard has killed BGs. Expect long queues times as few people will bother with them anymore...

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# Dec 15 2008 at 7:35 PM Rating: Default

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Could not agree with this more. No more BG's for me other
than to maybe pick up the anti-stun trinket for my DK.
Thank you for nothing Blizz.

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# Dec 16 2008 at 10:57 AM Rating: Decent

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This is a slap in the face to hunters, plain and simple. Blizzard has failed so far to get hunters up from being useless in arena, not only are they nerfing us, but they are destroying the place where we shine in pvp, BATTLEGROUNDS. For now, theres really no point in playing a hunter to pvp, since you cant even enjoy battlegrounds and get rewards anymore.

Even if they allow gear without rating, its still not fair. Hunters should be able to access epic gear without fighting our way through the hellhole that blizzard's created in the form of free for all arena. They need to fix one or the other first, they shouldnt allow both problems to exist at once!

Im not quitting though, far from it. I believe Blizzard will fix it, eventually. I can just mess around with some of my other characters til then.

Battlegrounds were what solidified my love for my class as I was leveling. Killing them really does seem like a slap in the face.

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