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#1 Feb 05 2008 at 12:08 PM Rating: Good
I am currently working on building up my second char, which will soon become my main. However, that is not the point...

Currently I have a 61 BE Rogue and a 32 BE Paladin.

The Rogue has Mining (325+) and Enchanting (300+) as his profs.

The Paladin has Mining (150s) and Skinning (200) as his profs.

My question is: What would you suggest as more useful (Not necessarily for money) to keep skinning on my Paladin or change that to Blacksmithing?

Or would it be most prudent to drop mining for blacksmithing on my Paladin and feed him bars through my rogue?

I am thinking about Blacksmithing, but it does not seem like a logical investment of either time or resources. However, the higher end armor and weapons that you can make seem to be okay.

Could you please offer some advice?

Thanks.
#2 Feb 05 2008 at 12:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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I am thinking about Blacksmithing, but it does not seem like a logical investment of either time or resources. However, the higher end armor and weapons that you can make seem to be okay.


You're absolutely right. High end blacksmithing does pay off. That's why you should do it only when you get to 70.

I'd recommend mining/skinning on your pally, as switching over ores will totally suck if you have to do it all the time. At 70, drop skinnning for smithy, and either PL it with the golds you've made, or go make golds at the best gold/hour rate you can get, THEN throw that into smithing. Don't go around picking up copper ore with a lvl 70. It's absolutely stupid when you can pick up ores worth 10X the amount in the same timeframe, sell them, and pick up 10 stacks of copper.
#3 Feb 06 2008 at 3:48 AM Rating: Good
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When TBC first came out Blacksmithing offered a lot, though less to non-retri paladins. Now with the easy access to PVP epics, blacksmithing has really taken a bad hit. If you are planning for WOTLK then great, otherwise I wouldnt bother.
#4 Feb 06 2008 at 6:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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Taking any crafting profession really just depends on your play style and your personal likes and dislikes.

A lot of people will recommend herbalism and alchemy, as you can buff yourself with the potions you make. But that profession doesn’t work for me because I never remember to use potions or scrolls.

If you are big into end game raiding then chances are you‘ll get better items from the raids than what you can make.

Personally I would advise everyone to stay away from crafting professions unless they actually enjoy crafting. This is a game, so crafting should be fun and not a job.

If you feel you would enjoy being a blacksmith then by all means go for it. Another craft you might consider is engineering. But again, only if you think you might enjoy it. Engineering will give a paladin more ranged pulling options. And for me it’s just a hoot in and of itself. The fact that engineers can make what I consider the coolest flying mount in game is just a bonus.
#5 Feb 06 2008 at 9:09 AM Rating: Decent
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I would recommend you drop mining, and have your rogue get you the mats. Your rogue probably has an epic mount that will make mat gathering 100x faster. Plus, your rogue is at a level where you can easily farm the mats without getting much aggro from mobs.

Before you lock into Blacksmithing, I would recommend you take a look at Engineering. Engineers can make Justicebringer 2000 Specs - which is a sweet helm.

But either way will work fine. Have fun :)


#6 Feb 06 2008 at 10:24 PM Rating: Good
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I would recommend you drop mining, and have your rogue get you the mats. Your rogue probably has an epic mount that will make mat gathering 100x faster. Plus, your rogue is at a level where you can easily farm the mats without getting much aggro from mobs.


I wouldn't really suggest that. Even if he gathers the mats on his rogue, mining is STILL going to bring him more money than skinning all the way to 70. It would be absolutely ridiculous for him to drop his biggest money making gathering skill for a crafting profession that needs its mats.

At the very least, go smithing/mining. You'll NEVER make enough golds with skinning to even come close to buying enough mats to lvl it up at a fair rate.
#7 Feb 07 2008 at 12:12 AM Rating: Decent
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At the very least, go smithing/mining. You'll NEVER make enough golds with skinning to even come close to buying enough mats to lvl it up at a fair rate.


I would just like to add that I had a horde skinner/engineer when I was playing with a friend who had minning/enginnering and we would share our resources, he left and I ended up playing solo.

I made sooooo much money from skinning and engineering that I was able to lvl to 300, get my mount and have cash to buy some sweet rares from the AH.

One thing I would recomend is to work out the market for your leathers and buy those already on the AH lower than you want to sell for so that most of the leather sales are yours, this may take a while to figure out btw :P
#8 Feb 07 2008 at 4:43 AM Rating: Good
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I'd wait and PL whichever crafting profession you pick once your pala hits 70.

What I'd do is find a levelling guide and then save the mats that you mine as you go along on your pala that you'll need to level the profession at 70 (you can make a bank alt to store these if you run out of room). Any excess can be sold on the AH and this means you won't need to buy anything for a high price just to get those extra points that you need to level up.

As for which profession to pick, I find that there's nothign really of use that I can make via blacksmithing for my paladin. The bop craftables are not much good for holy or prot and anything that is boe I could get from another crafter (and the price for recipes is fairly high). I realise there are some higher level patterns available (my pala is an alt so I've not looked into this much), but I'd imagine there are easier to get alternatives.

If I was relevelling my paladin I'd go engineering rather than blacksmithing as there seem to be more useful things from that.

As it happens I'm one oft he people who like having crafting professions, so I'm happy with my pala having BS and not using it for much other than making rods for my enchanter.
#9 Feb 07 2008 at 7:26 AM Rating: Decent
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I would recommend you drop mining, and have your rogue get you the mats


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I wouldn't really suggest that. Even if he gathers the mats on his rogue, mining is STILL going to bring him more money than skinning all the way to 70


The only reason I suggested that is because the OP said "Not necessarily for the money". Also, why waste time gathering mats that your other toon can gather faster? If I want ore, then I would use the toon that will gather it the fastest.

#10 Feb 07 2008 at 12:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I agree with the folks who have advised holding off on a crafting profession until much later. If you want to go BS, then find a guide on powerleveling and start saving the necessary materials with your pally. It's easy to say you're going to feed bars off your main, but it's a bore to actually go back to the lowbie levels and do it. It's much more efficient to gather as you level.

#11 Feb 07 2008 at 1:12 PM Rating: Default
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I feed mats to my alts whenever they need it. I don't find it a bore at all. It's actually kinda fun romping through old school instances, soloing all those bosses that gave you a hard time while leveling. Plus, you can easily cruise through them very very quickly.

Ever AoE'd an entire instance? It's fun.

Same goes for running a few circuits around old areas. One shotting mobs that were hard to kill before is also kinda fun to do once in a while.

Of course, each person enjoys their own thing. What one enjoys, another may not. So I can respect just doing whatever you want to do.

EDIT - I would find it a bore to be mining ore at a slow pace, knowing that I had another toon who could scoop stacks up in a matter of a few minutes.



Edited, Feb 7th 2008 4:16pm by YJMark
#12 Feb 10 2008 at 10:21 PM Rating: Decent
Yeah - the rogue has great mining skills so no point in having the two toons be redundent - let the rogue feed the pally and have the pally drop mining for BS or JC or even Engineering.

BS is great as you can make armor and weapons for your toon.

JC is a good general skill as all of your toons can benefits from the gems and jewelery, plus, the higher end gems are pretty profitable to cut/sell.

Engineering is a good leveling skill for pallies as, personally, I've had a horrendous time leveling mine till I gave it engineering - the bombs, target dummies, etc are real life savers for that class.
#13 Feb 11 2008 at 7:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Here's what I did in a (somewhat) similar situation.

Keep skinning for awhile (maybe all the way to lvl 70) on your pally, banking all the skins on bank alts. Then switch your rogue from mining to LW, using the skins to lvl up. The pally then drops skinning and takes up BS and uses ores from himself and banked ores from the rogue to power level BSing.

Then you have:
Rogue with LW/Enchanting
Pally with Mining/BS

Both classes have crafting professions that can benefit them, plus you don't lose the lucrative/useful enchanting.

It involves a lot of time, bank space, and probably spending a lot of gold on mats, but ultimately you'll have great professions for both toons that will pay off at endgame.
#14 Feb 12 2008 at 9:42 PM Rating: Decent
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The only reason I suggested that is because the OP said "Not necessarily for the money". Also, why waste time gathering mats that your other toon can gather faster? If I want ore, then I would use the toon that will gather it the fastest.


Mining is still a much better gathering profession than skinning. I can't comprehend how you believe skinning/blacksmithing would be anywhere better than mining/blacksmithing. Even if the rogue can do it faster, the pally can do it while leveling. Also, I'll again re-iterate that gathering mats is dumb. Getting gold and buying mats is smart. It'll save you time.

OP, don't listen to any of us. Speak to Tynuv. He seems to have the best advice for you as he's already been in the situation.
#15 Feb 13 2008 at 9:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Here's what I did in a (somewhat) similar situation.

Keep skinning for awhile (maybe all the way to lvl 70) on your pally, banking all the skins on bank alts. Then switch your rogue from mining to LW, using the skins to lvl up. The pally then drops skinning and takes up BS and uses ores from himself and banked ores from the rogue to power level BSing.

Then you have:
Rogue with LW/Enchanting
Pally with Mining/BS

Both classes have crafting professions that can benefit them, plus you don't lose the lucrative/useful enchanting.

It involves a lot of time, bank space, and probably spending a lot of gold on mats, but ultimately you'll have great professions for both toons that will pay off at endgame.


That's so terribly impractical as to be not even funny - mining is an SOB to level and why would this guy want to abandon a 325 mining on a 61 toon that can earn him some good money?

A rogue miner is a double bonus as a rogue can stealth in to get ore that a pally would have to fight to.
#16 Feb 14 2008 at 9:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I've got to say, for the most part, unless you're going to be a ret pally, blacksmithing probably isn't worth it. If you're going ret, however, Thunder/Deep Thunder/Stormherald are probably just about the best weapon for you, as that stun proc is awesome combined with SoC.

I started off my pally as a Mining/BS'ing, but I ended up switching the BS'ing to Enchanting. Believe me, BS'ing is a pain in the **** to level up in the high 200's, my shaman is a BS, and I ended up spending several hundred gold buying thorium to get up to 300.
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