Primal Nether = No Longer Bind On Pick-Up!Follow

Its gonna be iffy -

I say this will create a bad problem as folks will now be greed rolling the things instead of letting the tradeskillers that can actually use them roll (no - I haven't been losing for a while - I actually haven't had a need to roll for them for several months now).

Other advocate that the Kara junkies who've got 300 badges in thier banks will buy up the suckers and flood the AH with them.

Personally, I'm more happy that the vortexes will now be badge purchasable - that'll finally make it feasable for me to make some of the recipes I've got for friends/alts since those suckers are obviously NEED and use now only.

If that many people flood the market I am guessing that they will be going for about 50g (a bit less than what people charge when it is BoP) because more people can sell them and buy them.

i love under cutters, they start going so low so you buy the the 10 lowest priced ones and then put them on for 1g less than the next cheapest, they sell in minutes

Thank god to this.. I have a greed rolled Nether on my alchemist, 7 Nethers that I don't need on my tailor and now a newly 70 LW that wants to make her BoP epic set and has no real access to Nethers (not much time to do instances atm), so they'll be sent to her as soon as the patch hits and she'll finally have all the pretty epics I've been working for!

However, you fail to take into account the invisible hand of the market - remember, zero-sum-gain doesn't exist in RL.

Recall that the market is more powerful then the individual and that supply and demand not only dictate price, but also dictate competition.

So when this wanna-be robber baron attempts to corner a market by buying up everything and then jacking up the price, he'll actually encourage competition from others - I see that item X has gone from 10g to 15g - I'm going to make sure to put item X up and maybe even seek it out, ie/pharm it.

Myself and others now trying to enter the market do one of two things -

1) We undercut the robber baron so no one buys his stuff and he's just sitting on gold

2) He continues to buy up our slightly cheaper items to preserve his monopoly

When #1 happens, the robber baron is eventually forced to dump his stuff onto the market, resulting in the prices dropping back to normal or lower.

When #2 happens, pharmers are encouraged by the fast sales we're getting so we keep pharming until we break the robber baron's bank at which point, again, the market returns to normal after a brief plunge from the robber baron dumping his stuff to get some of his gold back.

So as you can see, the attempts by a robber baron to corner the market only really benefit those who can pharm the items he's trying to corner and while there is a short-term increase in price, in the end, the robber baron is the only one who really gets hurt.

Primal Nethers can still be bought in Shatt for 2 BoJ badges. If they go for insane price and actually sells I just may give up my plan for that new 150 badge weapon and instead gather up oh about 75 primal nethers to sell.

Simple way around that;

Crafters who can use it = Need
People who wanna AH it = Greed

Ask people before the instance start, what their craft and levels are. If they Need something they can't use, boot them.

Esp, if you are in a raiding guild, surely you know everyone's craft by now, esp. since they are in the Armory.

Being booted at the end of a heroic after you've gotten your Primal Nether is such a terrible punishment!!!! They'll QQ @ U 4ver I'm sure. /sarc



What you're saying then simply is that crafters have some sort of need that should always take precedence over non-crafters. This theory is no longer applicable to the present discussion. It's like telling Scryer toons that they can't roll on a Fel Armament if there are any Aldor toons present, because the Aldor toons "need" it more than the Scryers.

Crafters obviously deserved priority when Nethers were BoP and could only be vendored for a pittance, but now they're essentially the same as any other nifty BoE shiny that drops in the instance: Primal Nether has the same value to everyone. Everyone in a PUG can and should roll Need on the Primal Nether now, because it no longer goes to waste when a non-crafter wins it.

Mainly what this means for me is that my bf is going to steal the 3 nethers I have across various characters for his mace upgrade, in addition to the 30 primals I gave him to upgrade it in the first place....

For heroics I usually go with the rule that people can need roll on nethers if it's for something that they will make for themself (or in the case of guild runs were the crafter needs it for someone else in the guild), greed if you can use it (but don't need it for a specific reason) and pass if you can't use it. I assume now that it just means non-crafters will join the greeding bunch and a few after specific things will be needing.

Even the pugs I've run with where nethers have dropped (usually normal mode as I'm not fond of pugging heroics) everyone has greeded the nether or asked if they can take it for a specific reason.

I don't see why a crafter should get preference on a nether so that they can make something to sell as opposed to someone who is going to sell the nether. When they were BOP I understood that logic as they were useless to non-crafters, but now both can make equal profit from the item.

they were 150G each on the Hydraxis last night, I sure didn't buy any at that price, but I'm sure some people were. Its still early, lets see where it levels off at.

Wow thats expensive. I've bought 6 over the past few days for an average of 45g each on Tortheldrin.

Holding steady at 100g on my server thus far.