I believe this nerf was supposed to stop the scam at Shady's fire in the Ro tunnel. Seller auctions expensive item for oh, twenty thousand and stand next to the fire. Buyer is told seller is too lagged to open a trade window, would he please do it? Buyer drops twenty thousand pp onto seller but the trade window doesn't open; instead, money falls onto the ground. Seller snaps it up before buyer even knows what's going on, then tells buyer 'I didn't see no money drop. Dood, petition them bums. They owe you twenty thousand plat.'

No trade, no record; Verant now has a very dissatisfied customer who thinks they owe him because they had a bug. And as a matter of fact, it was a bug of Verant's.

But it was easier for them to do this than it was to fix the bug.

What gets me is their statement, "We first considered popping up a confirmation box when attempting to drop coin on the ground, however upon reflection we could not determine a reason why anyone would want to do this..." Monks (and a lot of others) hated this change, but apparently Verant never asked people for input, since they couldn't think of a reason.

This is just another limp-wristed patch that hampers the many to fix a rare problem caused by a few -- and being an evil character is role-playing too, is it not ?

I trust in Verant's judgement even though it may seem a little ackward. Doesn't really hurt anyone, but twinkers and perhaps the few newbies who stumble across a group of high levels. *remembers the druid/kiting issue and the Enchanter/Religion issue that was "left" uns*
And to all who complain: A good action to protest would be to quit, or start a newbie enchanter and have him reach level 8. Take him to a crowded zone and start casting sentinal multiple times and cause massive lagdeath. Low Guk Entrance and perhaps other parts of the level as well would be a good place to do this. It would attract attention I believe. Also start a bunch of barbarians(good faction) and barricade the entrance to Qeynos or some other major newbie city.
EQ is not a utopian society (or atleast not designed to be).

EQ isn't really fun anymore without twinking. The game had gotten boring for me, endless search for xp and loot and at 30 druid hell, it didn't seem worth it.I didn't really start havin a lotta fun til I used my druid's resources to twink a lil DE SK. Sweet armor, wurmy, MM shield for the look of it :), plus spells? Hehe at 20 I became a lil badass ;). Next thing I knew I was leveling with ease and havin a lotta fun kickin some PK butt (welcome to the raging war that is Vallon Zek hehe). The game seemed worth playin again. At least til this whole Luclin thing. Seems with this new expansion I can't get in, something about my 3D device (which is enabled). Oh well, maybe its for the best, Verant just doesn't care about the players as RL people,and maybe its time I moved on.

NO DROP coin supporters:1 -- Displeased or utterly disgruntled players about NO DROP coins: 25 -- Players (out of 26) seriously considering quitting EQ because of this change and others: 3

That's not a good ratio for losing players. 3 out of 26 is very bad considering the revenue generated in a year by a single player.

Dear Verant Interactive,
You, as the EQ staff, have requested ideas as to why this NO DROP coin change should not be implemented, despite having already done it. I will provide a brief summary and add some of my own thoughts.

You (V.I.) say this change was implemented to prevent scams performed by mischievious players on the gullable, young or simply new. And also due to petitions such as "I was self trading items and they poofed".

For the self trade petitions I would say they are few since even as a newbie common sense brought me to the conclusion that droping items or coin for self trade was very unsafe. Anyone doing this would not attempt it with a sum of coin/items that is truely significant to them. And if they lose it they know it was a risk and take a gulp and walk on. For those few that do petition, a simple 5 seconds to type "That is truely unfortunate, but you chose to drop you coin to the ground with no garantee that it would remain there. There is nothing that can be done. Safer travels to you" is not much trouble.

As for scams, there are two types. Sleigh of hand and game bugs. Sleigh of hand is misleading people into buying junk or switching items such as cloth gloves for the silver chitin handwraps they are supposed to be selling. If people get conned for doing such it is their fault for not using their head and being careful. After all this is a role play environment, and rogues, amoung other thieves, do exist in EQ. There are also game bugs such as trading on top of fire pits resulting in coin droping to the ground, only to be quickly snatched up by the person aware of the bug and using it to their mischivious advantage. THIS is the problem that should either 1: be corrected in the game code itself so it cant happen or 2: alternately invest the time and money to hiring more GMs to deal with petitions about scammers, somehow tracking the money lost, reinbursing the victim since they are paying for the game and shouldnt lose all they have due to a game bug, then proceeding to ban the person knowingly abusing faults in the game which is the action explicitely outlined in your EULA. But fixing game bugs we pay money NOT to be subjected to would be the obvious prefered course of action. Not quick-fix work-arounds, especialy a fix like this that inconviniences so many people. There are several free mutiplayer real time games on the net that, though less complex, experience such troubles and have a hard time fixing all bugs, keeping multiple servers running smoothly 24hours a day etc. But part of the reason people pay for this game is expecting as smooth a ride as is technicaly possible, expecting their money to actualy be paying to solve the minor issues as well as the big ones.

Now that I have presented my opinions as to why the reasons you outline as being why this change was implemented are faulty... I, and others, feel that there were other considerations in your plan of action. Not being able to drop coins eliminates the non-trackable sale of EQ coin for real money which is very much a concern of V.I. and rightly so. I feel you change with all it's great inconviniences will greater serve to further displease customers and add to the stack of things that will eventualy make us leave. Nothing is perfect and there will always be problems. That is acceptable and even though I pay for two accounts myself I dont expect flawlessness in the game. But it's in how you handle the problems and how well you listem to your customers that determines who stays and who clicks "Cancel Account".

Now for the reasons to restore dropable coins in EQ.
1. Monks! This change has presented the most trouble to this class as they cannot carry the weight and a 4 step process to dump the extreme amount of small change dropped by all mobs is inconvinient if not at times deadly.
2. Casters, especialy true casters with their low strength. With "A/S on" groups this means unloading very often. And casters under lvl 35 have difficulty finding time for such a complicated proccess as every second of meditation is usualy essential to do your good part in the group.
3. Countless fist time low level folks benefit greatly from running around gathering 100s of silver to buy spells or that dwarven axe being auctioned for on 10pp! A happy newbie means a long term customer because they wont be thinking "this takes way too long, I cant lvl because I dont have any items and keep dieing" and quit their account after 10 hours of play. If a newbie gets a neat item like shinny brass shield early on, they become exstatic and dont even worry about dieing a lot.

Any ONE of these reasons alone should be enough to leave EQ coin dropable. You should concern yourself with the real problem of fixing the bugs that cause scams and accidental loss of coin. And if your reason for making coin NO DROP is concerns about EBaying coin, well... in my opinion you quick fix will cause V.I. much more problems from revenue loss of players leaving than anything else.

And they will leave, because there are many problems and quick fixes make for poor customer service and depreciation of the company and the game. To mention only one of your quick fixes, all the horrible pathing problems in many zones for pet classes which simply cant use pets effectively in dungeons was "fixed" by simply giving mages a summon pet spell. And they still are not allowed pets in most raid situations no matter how skilled they are at handling their companions. Fix the problems at the core. It is an big task, but one that must be done, however slowly, to keep your customers.

Use the no drop coin solution until you can fix coin bug/scam problems which has been present since I started playing, or at least make the no drop thing an option or only active in merchant zones. But I cant give you more than a month to revert back to the original ability to drop coin without frowning. Might be hard at the present time with the release of SoL expansion and the problems that are more than likely expected with its comming. But dont put this one on the bottom shelf.

I hope this post serves to not only address this coin issue, but also to change the way V.I. treats its customers and their ideals of an "appropriate solution" in dealing with problems. I would be with you Verant in being patient with all the problems until they are fixed, and I DO often advocate for you and GMs to other players saying "it's not that easy" or "there are many things to do, they cant do everything instantly", but your quick fixes and ignoring of crucial issues only shows poor dedication to the players who are sooo dedicated to your great product. [Product: 4.8 of 5 -- GM/In-game Service: 4.2 out of 5 -- Development/Technical Service: 2.7 of 5 :-/ ]

Valmeria
Quellious Server

Get real people, if they REALLY were going to give us a say so on this unneeded change, then they would have asked BEFORE they did it. They will not go back to the old way now...all they will say is this is the way it is, it has been this way for however long....deal with it. Besides, there is not a better game out there, oh...wait, um I keep hearing about that DAoC which is said to be better....but I don't want to start on that rant.

I tend to believe some of the other posts that say this is not for the reason they stated. I am leaning toward the belief that they changed it so they can track strange trades (ie. ebay trades) and soon everything will not be allowed to be placed on the ground.

Besides, if you don't want any copper don't pick it up from the corpses...oh wait, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT CHOICE (disclaimer: I am by NO means saying I would want to click on the money to get it off the corpse, but maybe have an option that you can modify, via check boxes, so you only pick up, or get from auto-splits, plat and gold leaving the silver and copper on the corpse for someone else. This of course would only come into play later on in the game since you need all you can get at the start.)

But who am I kidding, they will do what they want since there is nothing we can do about it.

Since I cannot drop the copper and (sometimes silver), I look for another player who could want it. When I cannot find one, I throw it up in the trade window and dump it off on a passing green mob.

I reckon some low-level players killing Gnoll Pups and Decaying Skeletons in North Qeynos and Qeynos Hills are gonna start wondering how the heck those dudes can still be walking around with all that coin on them.

no drop is the most anti-roleplaying concept i have ever heard of. these game designers have gone too far, and have annoyed me, and a whole lot of other paying customers. and for us there is no alternative. u think daoc will be any different (although they have tried to be nicer in a million different little ways)? why should they, when being scumbags is the current formula for profit.
The other day my friend had severe crash/ld problems, died and lost his body. he petitioned, and the smug gm was too lazy to do anything at all. (note: being arogant to ppl who petition reduces future petitions.) This meant my friend had lost all of his items. not too big a deal, cause he was low level.
Luckily for my friend, no drop does not exist in the real world, and my friend proceeded to cancel his account, and drop the eq trilogy right into the trash. Good work smug gm, another happy gamer. Good work team, you have taken a great game concept and smashed it into the ground.
I too will be quitting this game very soon, but i will be selling my account on EBAY! what's that i hear? my account is nodrop? don't make me laugh, we are not in stalin's russia. this is america verant, and ppl can do what they please with their property. (note: when selling account offer to keep billing and other details the same, that way nothing can be proven).
The only guilt i will feel is selling someone what i feel is an inferior product. but at least i'll be saving them lots of time in boring camps and lvls. and at least the monthly fees they would have paid verant for the privilidge of boring lvls will go to me :). eliminate the middle man, that's the foundation of a healthy economy; and it's what keeps america free.
Wake up ppl, the coin drop was to prevent ppl from selling large amounts of plat. now vi can track trades much better, and if u buy a batwing for 5k, they will prolly ban u. before u could just drop it in a quiet place, and have the client pick it up.
haha verant, in trying to lock ppl into playing for years, you have only driven them away. open your eyes, more than half the ppl posting here despise the management, and have slowly left. It is one thing to be disliked, and u can cry that the person who enforces the rules will always be unpopular, but if you read some of these posts u will see u are downright hated. foul language is evrywhere, and it does not come from immaturity, but intense dislike. out of respect for others i have been polite, but but i cant complain if someone has to vent. (btw if any of you want to do something about this besides whine, post a reply here with ur email --create a hotmail or somethin to avoid spam, and if there is enuff interest ie at least ten ppl, i guarantee a very big difference will be made.
I hope future games will learn a lesson here; there is more to be gained by treating ppl nicely, and creating a fun game for them to play, then ppl will like the idea of playing a game for years. but the idea of listening to all this crap, and the odd encounter with a smug gm, who thinks they are god really puts me off the idea of years. instead i'm thinkin, well i bought the game, might as well play it for a bit, salvage as much enjoyment as possible as fast as possible, and move on.
This is why the interactive world of eq is almost an ebay graveyard, of uber chars that have been previously enjoyed many times, of hideous twinking, and grief playing, because there is nothing to do with the growing angst you get when hearing about verant did this, and verant did that, aren't they nasty?
Well thats my 2cp worth. with any luck ill get enough money from sellin my eq account to buy an xbox. I hear microsoft is a very nice company, that treats everyone fairly, and with respect, so i wont mind giving them my money--even if i am losing $150 usd on the purchase of the console.

This is stupid my monk has to destry now instead of droppin and helpin someone that need a few hundred cp and sp. anf i have another account and i used to love to mess with people and drop a fewpp and then become the pp wtf Veriant if ya say ya diont support or encourage twenking yet ya made a game wher ya gotta be lev 35 ot get some stupid item that a lev 10 -15 really needs and when ya get to 35 its usless basiclly who ya think ya kiddin like u really give a crap about anything more than server fees and sales of upgrades get a grip ya think were all stupid bite me. Goodlookin #1 that name sint game orintated so if ya usein it loose it and quit your winnin only reason ya ******* is cause ya to stupid ta figure out how ta twink ya just admitted it in you stupid statement try earning a living and shut up and play. Veriant GRATZ you have succceded in creating a subculture of excapist that i am now part of whats tht mom were bing attacked in NY? ahh heck ok <whew thought my isp was gonna go down for a min now that woulda sucked > ( thinkin? pissed ? think im an *** hole ?? GOOD!!! means your thinkin

Hey if you lose your cash cause you allow some other person to confuse you into switching through inventories and money left and right, and dont step back and say... HOLD IT!! let me get this strait... If you cant stick up for yourself, especially over the internet, then you deserve to be ripped. I never realized they did this and its been VERY annoying past week with trying to drop hoards of cash out on the battle fields, but not being able to. I thought i was bugged or something.

Yes... it is annoying to click yes/no to dropping something, but it cant be as annoying as having to pickup the cash and bring it over to the destoy button, then click yes/no to destroying it. Twinking characters is also somewhat of a proble, but in some cases, we twink characters because we have spent years building a character from scratch, so its nice being able to finally go back and solo with a character, and basically just have some crazy fun and not worry about being killed as much. I dont just go around handing out lammies or cobalt armor to just any n00b playin around Halas, no way, i give it to my little twinkie and have some great fun killin in Blackburrow.

Give us the confirmation box, with a configuration option to turn it off if we so choose.